The Outpicked: Dire Thread 2.0

WallaceGrover · 03-21-2012, 12:56 AM

Axe+Witch Doctor

Axe will rape with illusions, and he's nice against riki...

YoTengoUnLCD · 03-21-2012, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by STR1D3R

I think now would be a good time to be saying which heroes/roles you can/can't play.

I myself will be playing either WD or ES. Preferably WD though.

I said the same thing and nobody but Ari listened to me -_-.

I can play anything but: ES, WD, Pudge, VS, Lina in the current pool.

Shergal · 03-21-2012, 04:39 AM

Pretty redundant by now, but WD + Brood is a no-brainer: the former is one of the few "true" supports left in the pool, if not the last (taking Dazzle as a support that needs his own little share of levels/gold), and they made a huge mistake IMO by not picking him. Their gold distribution will probably be heavily fucked up in the game, hope they don't realize this. And BM is just fukkin' imba, especially when they have still no counters and we're shutting down DS's participation in the rest of the game by picking her.

For last pick, the obvious choice is to complete the trilane, which can already beat any lane they throw at us, be it tri or dual. I'd like going for a carry just to be safe, but Spec is a little too far fetched. Razor is more logical with this lineup's idea of the game.

fremdlaender · 03-21-2012, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Shergal

Their gold distribution will probably be heavily fucked up in the game, hope they don't realize this. And BM is just fukkin' imba, especially when they have still no counters and we're shutting down DS's participation in the rest of the game by picking her.

They will have to jungle Dark Seer, giving our Broodmother a huge advantage.
I see no chance not giving Leshrac a solo lane and DS sucks in a dual, therefore they will pick Support + Solo.

Ari~ · 03-21-2012, 02:41 PM

Hmm. I think at this point their game will rely on Riki. They will probably trilane him, meaning dark seer will solo a lane. Im assuming leshrac will be a support in riki trilane/quick push, so they might go for a bane for solo?

Shergal · 03-21-2012, 06:27 PM

I'm guessing they will have to put DS against Brood, seeing as there are no better counters, and putting a dual against her means losing the two other lanes hard. The question here is what they are planning with Lesh: either putting him in a tri with riki+another supp like SP or Lina, or soloing him, having to pick other 2 trilane heroes.

If they go for tri Lesh, I expect a Bane or a Zeus for soloing mid, because they are not left with much options really.

dragonccc · 03-21-2012, 06:30 PM

Bumping to first page.
I agree with Shergal, going with BroodMother+WD.

fremdlaender · 03-21-2012, 06:53 PM

There are only some scenarios I can imagine for Radiant.
I'm assuming that they go for Dazzle as a support, because Lina is not really a good alternative.

Dazzle + Bane pick --> Bane solo, Lesh solo, Riki + Dazzle, DS jungle
Leaves them with a freefarming Brood that can even push towers easily.

Axe + Dazzle pick --> DS solo, Lesh solo, Riki + Dazzle, Axe jungle
Axe pick... well, could work depending on what carry we get. They lose the imba disables from Bane, however.

Kunkka + Dazzle pick --> Kunkka solo, Lesh solo, Riki + Dazzle, DS jungle
Kunkka can counter Brood somehow, but is vulnerable to ganks. Again, loosing Bane's disables but paired with DS, Kunkka could really be a threat. Best option imo.

Support Leshrac --> I won't explain this one and I don't care what they pick if that's the case, because it's just plain retarded.

Ari~ · 03-21-2012, 07:10 PM

Okay i think its safe to assume that Brood+WD have won (assuming no veto's).

Lets discuss strategy. im almost 100% sure they will want to trilane riki (its what i would do. quick diffusal removes brood from teamfights...). Meaning DS will solo.

What lane does DS solo now, because we want brood there. Brood is better than DS aslong as shes not spamming spiderlings. Just use them to nuke him down and pwn that melee hero.

amoura · 03-21-2012, 07:17 PM

brood btm, qop mid, es roaming, wd babysit some carry...

Ari~ · 03-21-2012, 07:24 PM

Huh, had forgot about Dazzle+Kunkka... that might be it.

Shergal · 03-21-2012, 07:31 PM

Brood long lane, QoP mid, ES+WD+our lastpick as trilane. Their trilane alternatives are bad, or at least don't even come close to our trilane, so that lane is won. They'd have to be pretty stupid to put a dual against our tri, because they'd be just wasting two heroes and their riki needs some kind of farm. So I think they'd maybe dual mid with Riki+Support, solo DS their short lane, put another solo against our tri and jungle/roam with their last pick. In that case, we can rotatively send ES and WD to aid mid if needed, while still maintaining lane dominance in our short lane.

The more I think about it, the less laning options I see for them... I think we might've just won this.

Ari~ · 03-21-2012, 07:36 PM

who are the jungle capable heroes here? Axe and DS m'right?

amoura · 03-21-2012, 07:41 PM

they cant afford to have a jungler, they will be push if they lack laning heroes...

STR1D3R · 03-21-2012, 09:12 PM

Although, we may be able to afford to have a jungler. It means our 2 supports can have a dual lane to get some early farm and levels. We will need to think is out though, because if we force a jungle hero just so we can get some farm on the supports, it may cost us the game.

WallaceGrover · 03-21-2012, 09:49 PM

Here is the current list of heroes (assuming we choose Witch Doctor and Brood) for those who don't want to have to sort through all the excess portraits, like me!

THE HERO POOL

Ari~ · 03-21-2012, 09:51 PM

^riki and leshrac are picked

Ari~ · 03-21-2012, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by STR1D3R

Although, we may be able to afford to have a jungler. It means our 2 supports can have a dual lane to get some early farm and levels. We will need to think is out though, because if we force a jungle hero just so we can get some farm on the supports, it may cost us the game.

really though the only jungles in that pool is axe. That leaves our team as

Brood Solo Top
Axe Jungle
QoP Solo Mid
WD+ES Bot

If we do happen to go with axe I would much rather him in the trilane with all of them splitting the farm. That trilane would be scary....

amoura · 03-21-2012, 09:54 PM

we don't need a jungle heroes... what we need a hard carry like spectre or something because trilaning using es and wd will be devastating to the enemy team...

Throwback · 03-21-2012, 10:10 PM

Sniper, razor and huskar are the only heroes I see there that suit a trilane with ES/WD. SB could also work but it would need some pretty good co-ordination.

Imo axe is too level dependent for a trilane.

03-21-2012, 12:56 AM	#161
WallaceGrover Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: 4215 Pussy Way Posts: 1,340	The Outpicked: Dire Thread 2.0 Axe+Witch Doctor Axe will rape with illusions, and he's nice against riki... __________________

03-21-2012, 04:39 AM	#163
Shergal Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 447	Re: The Outpicked: Dire Thread 2.0 Pretty redundant by now, but WD + Brood is a no-brainer: the former is one of the few "true" supports left in the pool, if not the last (taking Dazzle as a support that needs his own little share of levels/gold), and they made a huge mistake IMO by not picking him. Their gold distribution will probably be heavily fucked up in the game, hope they don't realize this. And BM is just fukkin' imba, especially when they have still no counters and we're shutting down DS's participation in the rest of the game by picking her. For last pick, the obvious choice is to complete the trilane, which can already beat any lane they throw at us, be it tri or dual. I'd like going for a carry just to be safe, but Spec is a little too far fetched. Razor is more logical with this lineup's idea of the game.

03-21-2012, 02:41 PM	#165
Ari~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: ؟ ؟ ؟ Posts: 6,357	Re: The Outpicked: Dire Thread 2.0 Hmm. I think at this point their game will rely on Riki. They will probably trilane him, meaning dark seer will solo a lane. Im assuming leshrac will be a support in riki trilane/quick push, so they might go for a bane for solo?

03-21-2012, 06:27 PM	#166
Shergal Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 447	Re: The Outpicked: Dire Thread 2.0 I'm guessing they will have to put DS against Brood, seeing as there are no better counters, and putting a dual against her means losing the two other lanes hard. The question here is what they are planning with Lesh: either putting him in a tri with riki+another supp like SP or Lina, or soloing him, having to pick other 2 trilane heroes. If they go for tri Lesh, I expect a Bane or a Zeus for soloing mid, because they are not left with much options really.

03-21-2012, 06:30 PM	#167
dragonccc Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: China OR BETA Posts: 1,653	Re: The Outpicked: Dire Thread 2.0 Bumping to first page. I agree with Shergal, going with BroodMother+WD. __________________ China Dragon Blast Credits to Pinopi Credits to Nitroskim

03-21-2012, 07:10 PM	#169
Ari~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: ؟ ؟ ؟ Posts: 6,357	Re: The Outpicked: Dire Thread 2.0 Okay i think its safe to assume that Brood+WD have won (assuming no veto's). Lets discuss strategy. im almost 100% sure they will want to trilane riki (its what i would do. quick diffusal removes brood from teamfights...). Meaning DS will solo. What lane does DS solo now, because we want brood there. Brood is better than DS aslong as shes not spamming spiderlings. Just use them to nuke him down and pwn that melee hero.

03-21-2012, 07:17 PM	#170
amoura Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: KINGdom Posts: 1,199	Re: The Outpicked: Dire Thread 2.0 brood btm, qop mid, es roaming, wd babysit some carry... __________________ Orc Orc Card Signature Steam

03-21-2012, 07:24 PM	#171
Ari~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: ؟ ؟ ؟ Posts: 6,357	Re: The Outpicked: Dire Thread 2.0 Huh, had forgot about Dazzle+Kunkka... that might be it.

03-21-2012, 07:31 PM	#172
Shergal Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 447	Re: The Outpicked: Dire Thread 2.0 Brood long lane, QoP mid, ES+WD+our lastpick as trilane. Their trilane alternatives are bad, or at least don't even come close to our trilane, so that lane is won. They'd have to be pretty stupid to put a dual against our tri, because they'd be just wasting two heroes and their riki needs some kind of farm. So I think they'd maybe dual mid with Riki+Support, solo DS their short lane, put another solo against our tri and jungle/roam with their last pick. In that case, we can rotatively send ES and WD to aid mid if needed, while still maintaining lane dominance in our short lane. The more I think about it, the less laning options I see for them... I think we might've just won this.

03-21-2012, 07:36 PM	#173
Ari~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: ؟ ؟ ؟ Posts: 6,357	Re: The Outpicked: Dire Thread 2.0 who are the jungle capable heroes here? Axe and DS m'right?

03-21-2012, 07:41 PM	#174
amoura Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: KINGdom Posts: 1,199	Re: The Outpicked: Dire Thread 2.0 they cant afford to have a jungler, they will be push if they lack laning heroes... __________________ Orc Orc Card Signature Steam

03-21-2012, 09:12 PM	#175
STR1D3R Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: England Posts: 4,962 Blog Entries: 3	Re: The Outpicked: Dire Thread 2.0 Although, we may be able to afford to have a jungler. It means our 2 supports can have a dual lane to get some early farm and levels. We will need to think is out though, because if we force a jungle hero just so we can get some farm on the supports, it may cost us the game.

03-21-2012, 09:49 PM	#176
WallaceGrover Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: 4215 Pussy Way Posts: 1,340	Re: The Outpicked: Dire Thread 2.0 Here is the current list of heroes (assuming we choose Witch Doctor and Brood) for those who don't want to have to sort through all the excess portraits, like me! THE HERO POOL __________________

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03-21-2012, 09:51 PM	#177
Ari~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: ؟ ؟ ؟ Posts: 6,357	Re: The Outpicked: Dire Thread 2.0 ^riki and leshrac are picked

03-21-2012, 09:54 PM	#179
amoura Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: KINGdom Posts: 1,199	Re: The Outpicked: Dire Thread 2.0 we don't need a jungle heroes... what we need a hard carry like spectre or something because trilaning using es and wd will be devastating to the enemy team... __________________ Orc Orc Card Signature Steam

03-21-2012, 10:10 PM	#180
Throwback Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 926	Re: The Outpicked: Dire Thread 2.0 Sniper, razor and huskar are the only heroes I see there that suit a trilane with ES/WD. SB could also work but it would need some pretty good co-ordination. Imo axe is too level dependent for a trilane.