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Old 04-12-2012, 05:48 AM   #121
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Default Lycan is Imba


Pubstomping is fairly easy with many heroes (rikimaru, magical, slardar, etc).

DotA need a pub balanced and a competitive balanced map. This is what we need. Not dumb buffs / nerfs. (Rikimaru buff wasn't needed!)
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Old 04-12-2012, 06:18 AM   #122
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Too much discussion to accept a simple fact: Lycan is above average. Or rather, there are too many heroes on the game that are below average (which means more or less the same).

I'm not talking about pubs, pubs can go fuck themselves, but he has been a permapick/ban for a relatively long time by DotA's standards. I'm not talking about Dota 2 because I don't follow its scene, but since he was ported it's probably the same as in DotA.
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Old 04-12-2012, 07:02 AM   #123
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My stats wont show how many times i've lost to a lycan.

suddenly it is about 'how many times you lost to a lycan' now?

You owned with lycan, show us. click f12 for screenshot and link us to your profile.

THIS IS ANOTHER WHINING THREAD. and you get owned by a some noobie lycan because you picked sniper and got MoM as first core.

and no i think lycan is fine, any neff on him will make him useless. he is a piece of shit against stunners (ye bkb will protect you forever, sure)and i dont see people like to play lycan either (d1 or d2). naix on the other hand is imba imo.
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Old 04-12-2012, 07:15 AM   #124
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stop qq he will get nerfed, first pick/ban is proof enough then your shit opinions.
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Old 04-12-2012, 07:17 AM   #125
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pick bm or bane and some other stunner... get a forcestaff and problem is solved
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Old 04-12-2012, 07:37 AM   #126
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i had a game the other night which had a farmed lycan. I was OD and pretty much ripped him apart. I am an average player so i guess i wouldnt have been able to do that versing someone better but its an example of a hero that can shit on lycan with a few supportive items.

the lycan had basher, bkb, vlads, deadalus, treads. I had force staff, the staff that slows for 4 seconds, shivas and treads + null. pretty much ulti and 3 hits and i killed him and night stalker.
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Old 04-12-2012, 08:27 AM   #127
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i had a game the other night which had a farmed lycan. I was OD and pretty much ripped him apart. I am an average player so i guess i wouldnt have been able to do that versing someone better but its an example of a hero that can shit on lycan with a few supportive items.

the lycan had basher, bkb, vlads, deadalus, treads. I had force staff, the staff that slows for 4 seconds, shivas and treads + null. pretty much ulti and 3 hits and i killed him and night stalker.
OD seems to work pretty well against lycan although he is squishy. My last time I went with OD against lycan was very similar to yours.
But to be honest, most Lycan pickers in Dota 2 seem to be fairly dumb, the second reason, why I always first pick him: To prevent him being played by noob teammates.
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Old 04-12-2012, 08:50 AM   #128
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Why the fuck doesn't anyone mention ghost scepter? Ghost scepter/euls = lycan's bkb time cut in half (at first use) or reduced to about one second. And yes there are ways to protect your allies (nightmare, disruption), going across impassable terrain with force staff, and bane, enigma, void, rexx, batrider, and pudge can stop him. Just understand how to react when an enemy picks lycan, gank him in jungle, pick the proper items, and you can win ez
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Old 04-12-2012, 09:03 AM   #129
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Did anyone see last nights joindota fights on streamdota2.com?
Lycan was ban number 1 or 2 every fight, that says all..
He is way to overpowered! No team wants to face him..
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Old 04-12-2012, 09:33 AM   #130
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Did anyone see last nights joindota fights on streamdota2.com?
Lycan was ban number 1 or 2 every fight, that says all..
He is way to overpowered! No team wants to face him..
Obviously they dont know how to counter Lycan in jungle,
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Old 04-12-2012, 09:47 AM   #131
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Some of you guys are really hilarious.
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Old 04-12-2012, 10:01 AM   #132
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Obviously they dont know how to counter Lycan in jungle,
Obviously you lack of understanding the game, or how do you explain that Lycan is ban in all pro games as well?
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Old 04-12-2012, 10:07 AM   #133
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Because Lycan is very very high maintenance. You need wards, you need to pick accordingly, but what you guys seem to forget, that there are 4 other heroes in the game. One does not simply shut down a Lycan when he has 4 other teammates who know how to take advantage of the situation.
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Old 04-12-2012, 10:38 AM   #134
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Lots of heroes counter lycan, and if someone gets ghost scepter, lycan = useless.
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Old 04-12-2012, 10:45 AM   #135
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i had a game the other night which had a farmed lycan. I was OD and pretty much ripped him apart. I am an average player so i guess i wouldnt have been able to do that versing someone better but its an example of a hero that can shit on lycan with a few supportive items.
Had precisely the same experience. My OD three shotted a farmed Lycan for 15 minutes, so easy its not even funny.

The thing is the metagame is dominated (DotA 2) by push strats right now and OD has no place in them, whereas Lycan does. OK so he gets 3 shot by an OD but the fact is besides being a scary carry nonetheless, Lycan can also push like no tomorrow.

Lycan fits this meta like a glove, whereas his few available counters do not.
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Old 04-12-2012, 10:46 AM   #136
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Obviously you lack of understanding the game, or how do you explain that Lycan is ban in all pro games as well?
Obviously you didn't notice irony I was just making fun of ppl claiming that Lycan is useless if you counter him in jungle.
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Old 04-12-2012, 11:16 AM   #137
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Yes he is op, first time i play him and i had 17/ score..
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Old 04-12-2012, 11:42 AM   #138
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He's above average and grating to deal with. I hope siren isn't too far away.
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Old 04-12-2012, 12:49 PM   #139
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Obviously you didn't notice irony
Iya......
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Old 04-12-2012, 12:52 PM   #140
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farm a blademail and you'll be fine
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Old 04-12-2012, 01:29 PM   #141
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Nah, Blademail doesn't work. Specially if you have less than 1000 HP.
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Old 04-12-2012, 01:48 PM   #142
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well, not seriously imbalanced, but he could receive some nerf on his early-game, since all he does when he gets lvl 6 is raping people, then towers
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Old 04-12-2012, 02:04 PM   #143
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well, not seriously imbalanced, but he could receive some nerf on his early-game, since all he does when he gets lvl 6 is raping people, then towers ! +1
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