[FEATURE] Observer/Sentry Wards

R.B.Economy · 07-01-2009, 04:12 AM

I suggest an extra function to Observer and Sentry Wards which is auto-pings whenever an enemy hero appears within their sight range (like how you manually Alt+Click minimap). I think this can be coded by a 'sight of enemy hero' triggering 'ping'.

To prevent massive amounts of pinging within a short duration, a cooldown should be implemented, say 10 seconds. After pinging, a ward can only ping again after 10 seconds.

This is currently being done manually by players, so by implementing an auto-function, it helps the gameplay overall. It's not imbalanced because both teams can do so, and it just eases the map alertness function for both teams.

Zirath · 07-01-2009, 04:21 AM

I'd T-Up that.

Siraraz · 07-01-2009, 04:21 AM

T-Up
Also, make it so it so spacebar is set to the ping location as well.

I just scanned through, there is no sight of enemy. But you can ping.
I would make the ward have an 1800 range attack that only attacks heroes and whenever they are attacked, ping, add them to a cooldown group, wait 5 seconds, remove them from that group.

Unless I'm really inefficient like most people say and there is a better way of doing.

fevian · 07-01-2009, 06:40 AM

T-up. Great idea.

jawawaQ · 07-02-2009, 05:42 AM

T-Up!

MHingTREX · 07-02-2009, 06:59 AM

Sounds pointless and will be buggy to implement.

Cp6uja · 07-02-2009, 07:04 AM

1. Does this mean, this will Ping you?
2. If it is, does it mean that it will be seen only by you, or the whole team?

R.B.Economy · 07-02-2009, 07:43 AM

1. Yes it will PING you and everybody in the team just like a normal player PING.
2. It's not pointless because it eliminates the ALT+CLICK that player needs to manually do every time they see a hero and it's 100% guaranteed ping without player forgetting to ping.

Cp6uja · 07-02-2009, 07:46 AM

What if all 5 heroes get into that area at the same time, will there be 5 pings?

R.B.Economy · 07-02-2009, 07:55 AM

5 pings will alert players how dangerous is that area. So yeah.

crazy sheep · 07-02-2009, 08:01 AM

T-up. Even with wards, we sometimes miss enemy heroes revealed or entering the area. So this will be a decent implementation.

gh0un · 07-02-2009, 10:09 AM

Im absolutely against it. Just because you got wards, shouldnt mean that the enemy team is forbid to ever gang you again. This would also apply to your team, effectively making the game boring. T-Down

R.B.Economy · 07-02-2009, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by gh0un

Im absolutely against it. Just because you got wards, shouldnt mean that the enemy team is forbid to ever gang you again. This would also apply to your team, effectively making the game boring. T-Down

Yes you are correct, just because I've got wards, it doesn't mean that the enemy team cannot gank my team. They can still do it, nothing is stopping them. Besides, wards don't let you see the whole map, there are still spots that are missed, except if you ward everywhere, but who wards everywhere anyway?? Again, if there's actually somebody who wards everywhere, isn't it still helps my team from being ganked?

I think you missed the point. Pinging the location of a VISIBLE enemy is not BORING. The extra feature is just to give wards more value for gold, thereby encouraging players to ward.

gh0un · 07-02-2009, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eethn

I think you missed the point. Pinging the location of a VISIBLE enemy is not BORING. The extra feature is just to give wards more value for gold, thereby encouraging players to ward.

I didnt miss the point at all, you misunderstood my point though. I didnt say pinging the location is boring, that feature would be quite nice actually.
I meant it would take away the tension of the metagame and therefore making the GAME boring. Automating does not fit here.

Zack1996 · 07-02-2009, 11:06 AM

Pinging for Observer Wards should be enough. I don't think there is a need for Auto-Alt-Click.
T-Up!

[SOM]Js · 10-19-2009, 04:02 AM

this should be implemented, but the wards can be toggled to auto ping or not. secondly, there should be limits on how often can the wards ping. such as once, every 10 seconds to prevent insane pinging..

R.B.Economy · 10-19-2009, 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cp6uja_

What if all 5 heroes get into that area at the same time, will there be 5 pings?

Solved by this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by somwk

this should be implemented, but the wards can be toggled to auto ping or not. secondly, there should be limits on how often can the wards ping. such as once, every 10 seconds to prevent insane pinging..

Need more reviews to make it a possible implementation...

Axidos · 10-19-2009, 10:28 AM

There is a difference between increasing usability (reducing the effort needed to play) and reducing difficulty (reducing the skill needed to play).

I'm all for increasing usability since having to check things a lot is a pain, but this would also make it far easier to deal with your enemies. Currently they can slip right past someone who isn't paying attention to the minimap at that very moment, but that won't happen very often anymore with this change. I don't really like that.

nEr0 · 10-19-2009, 08:02 PM

This is pretty nice suggestion.I like it and think its usefull.T-up from me.

findus · 08-25-2010, 04:43 PM

T-down. Completely unnecessary and makes things a little too easy.

07-01-2009, 04:12 AM	#1
R.B.Economy Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 3,475 Blog Entries: 18	[FEATURE] Observer/Sentry Wards I suggest an extra function to Observer and Sentry Wards which is auto-pings whenever an enemy hero appears within their sight range (like how you manually Alt+Click minimap). I think this can be coded by a 'sight of enemy hero' triggering 'ping'. To prevent massive amounts of pinging within a short duration, a cooldown should be implemented, say 10 seconds. After pinging, a ward can only ping again after 10 seconds. This is currently being done manually by players, so by implementing an auto-function, it helps the gameplay overall. It's not imbalanced because both teams can do so, and it just eases the map alertness function for both teams. __________________

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07-01-2009, 04:21 AM	#2
Zirath Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Wherever Posts: 1,836	Re: [FEATURE] Observer/Sentry Wards I'd T-Up that.

07-01-2009, 04:21 AM	#3
Siraraz Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Earth Posts: 1,751 Blog Entries: 4	Re: [FEATURE] Observer/Sentry Wards T-Up Also, make it so it so spacebar is set to the ping location as well. I just scanned through, there is no sight of enemy. But you can ping. I would make the ward have an 1800 range attack that only attacks heroes and whenever they are attacked, ping, add them to a cooldown group, wait 5 seconds, remove them from that group. Unless I'm really inefficient like most people say and there is a better way of doing.

07-01-2009, 06:40 AM	#4
fevian Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 88	Re: [FEATURE] Observer/Sentry Wards T-up. Great idea.

07-02-2009, 05:42 AM	#5
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07-02-2009, 06:59 AM	#6
MHingTREX Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 243	Re: [FEATURE] Observer/Sentry Wards Sounds pointless and will be buggy to implement. __________________

07-02-2009, 07:04 AM	#7
Cp6uja Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Serbia Posts: 19,052 Blog Entries: 3	Re: [FEATURE] Observer/Sentry Wards 1. Does this mean, this will Ping you? 2. If it is, does it mean that it will be seen only by you, or the whole team? __________________ Increase DotA Speed Free Steam game PDIH RGC Dotalicious-Gaming Increase DotA speed for about 10 fps here. Want fast and stable DotA? Go here! Team Fortress 2 is now FREE TO DOWNLOAD! How to join is here under How to Apply/Join. League with Reconnection Tool, Stats tracking, no Leavers and multiaccounts. CLICK

07-02-2009, 07:43 AM	#8
R.B.Economy Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 3,475 Blog Entries: 18	Re: [FEATURE] Observer/Sentry Wards 1. Yes it will PING you and everybody in the team just like a normal player PING. 2. It's not pointless because it eliminates the ALT+CLICK that player needs to manually do every time they see a hero and it's 100% guaranteed ping without player forgetting to ping. __________________

07-02-2009, 07:46 AM	#9
Cp6uja Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Serbia Posts: 19,052 Blog Entries: 3	Re: [FEATURE] Observer/Sentry Wards What if all 5 heroes get into that area at the same time, will there be 5 pings? __________________ Increase DotA Speed Free Steam game PDIH RGC Dotalicious-Gaming Increase DotA speed for about 10 fps here. Want fast and stable DotA? Go here! Team Fortress 2 is now FREE TO DOWNLOAD! How to join is here under How to Apply/Join. League with Reconnection Tool, Stats tracking, no Leavers and multiaccounts. CLICK

07-02-2009, 07:55 AM	#10
R.B.Economy Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 3,475 Blog Entries: 18	Re: [FEATURE] Observer/Sentry Wards 5 pings will alert players how dangerous is that area. So yeah. __________________

07-02-2009, 08:01 AM	#11
crazy sheep Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: the Suggestions forum Posts: 558 Blog Entries: 6	Re: [FEATURE] Observer/Sentry Wards T-up. Even with wards, we sometimes miss enemy heroes revealed or entering the area. So this will be a decent implementation.

07-02-2009, 10:09 AM	#12
gh0un Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Munich Posts: 597	Re: [FEATURE] Observer/Sentry Wards Im absolutely against it. Just because you got wards, shouldnt mean that the enemy team is forbid to ever gang you again. This would also apply to your team, effectively making the game boring. T-Down

07-02-2009, 11:06 AM	#15
Zack1996 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Singapore! Posts: 1,259	Re: [FEATURE] Observer/Sentry Wards Pinging for Observer Wards should be enough. I don't think there is a need for Auto-Alt-Click. T-Up!

10-19-2009, 04:02 AM	#16
[SOM]Js Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Kuala Lumpur, MYS Posts: 597 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [FEATURE] Observer/Sentry Wards this should be implemented, but the wards can be toggled to auto ping or not. secondly, there should be limits on how often can the wards ping. such as once, every 10 seconds to prevent insane pinging.. __________________ Suggestion Signature Give Gem of Truesight some LURVE Other cosmetics by [SOM]Js

10-19-2009, 10:28 AM	#18
Axidos Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Aussieland Posts: 1,605	Re: [FEATURE] Observer/Sentry Wards There is a difference between increasing usability (reducing the effort needed to play) and reducing difficulty (reducing the skill needed to play). I'm all for increasing usability since having to check things a lot is a pain, but this would also make it far easier to deal with your enemies. Currently they can slip right past someone who isn't paying attention to the minimap at that very moment, but that won't happen very often anymore with this change. I don't really like that.

10-19-2009, 08:02 PM	#19
nEr0 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Posts: 373	Re: [FEATURE] Observer/Sentry Wards This is pretty nice suggestion.I like it and think its usefull.T-up from me.

08-25-2010, 04:43 PM	#20
findus Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: China Posts: 1,563	Re: [FEATURE] Observer/Sentry Wards T-down. Completely unnecessary and makes things a little too easy. __________________ Doom is back! Doom is back!!! RUNNNNNNNN!!!!