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Old 04-29-2012, 02:59 PM   #41
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Default Who is the best counter pusher in dota?


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Old 04-29-2012, 03:39 PM   #42
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If that's so you need to re-do your primary education

It's like one guy's saying that Macintosh = best apples and you answer with no, Chiquita are best bananas
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Old 04-29-2012, 03:40 PM   #43
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i like tauren chieftain. the more heroes/creeps in the push, the stronger his ancestral spirit makes him.

he makes a good user of necronomicon, which is an excellent pusher item.
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Old 04-29-2012, 04:01 PM   #44
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Like always, depends on the situation, but Tinker is strong for stopping a push I guess. As long as you can't be engaged on easily while pushing another lane or spamming rockets, by Storm or something.
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Old 04-29-2012, 04:43 PM   #45
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Yes, and do you ?
his point was that techies can instantly wipe out a creepwave. so that you are bare when attacking the tower. you didn't address that point at all, and are acting like earthshaker can instantly clear creep waves so easily like techies.

also, you said stuff like puck can kill creeps from afar which isn't true. he needs to combine his 2 spells to instantly take them out, and one of those spells is close range attack.
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Old 04-29-2012, 10:22 PM   #46
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his point was that techies can instantly wipe out a creepwave. so that you are bare when attacking the tower. you didn't address that point at all, and are acting like earthshaker can instantly clear creep waves so easily like techies.

also, you said stuff like puck can kill creeps from afar which isn't true. he needs to combine his 2 spells to instantly take them out, and one of those spells is close range attack.
Techies can clear creeps instant. But he needs:
1) levels;
2) time to set his mines;
3) heroes with blink and revealing spell can skip/reveal mines and screw him.

You totally missed the point where I write that Puck AND Alleria may clear creeps far away and they need only level 7. And they can do that instantly.
Earthshaker CAN'T clear creepwaves, but when he posses kelen the enemy MAY NOT PUSH with the creeps, or they will die with them.
So hard to understand when you play in low level public games.
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Old 04-29-2012, 10:39 PM   #47
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Techies can clear creeps instant. But he needs:
1) levels;
2) time to set his mines;
3) heroes with blink and revealing spell can skip/reveal mines and screw him.

You totally missed the point where I write that Puck AND Alleria may clear creeps far away and they need only level 7. And they can do that instantly.
Earthshaker CAN'T clear creepwaves, but when he posses kelen the enemy MAY NOT PUSH with the creeps, or they will die with them.
So hard to understand when you play in low level public games.
i know they can clear waves pretty good, but with just one spell?

it takes more than that.

if you're trying to say that a combination of puck and windrunner will clear the waves instantly...that's ignoring the title of the thread, isn't it? he didn't ask what's a good lineup for counter pushing in dota or who are the best counter pushers for dota he asked singularly he's just looking for one hero, isn't he?

with that said, another hero that can 'instantly' kill a creep wave is ezalor. but of course his spell takes a while to charge...
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Old 04-29-2012, 10:39 PM   #48
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Old 04-29-2012, 11:27 PM   #49
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i know they can clear waves pretty good, but with just one spell?

it takes more than that.

if you're trying to say that a combination of puck and windrunner will clear the waves instantly...that's ignoring the title of the thread, isn't it? he didn't ask what's a good lineup for counter pushing in dota or who are the best counter pushers for dota he asked singularly he's just looking for one hero, isn't he?

with that said, another hero that can 'instantly' kill a creep wave is ezalor. but of course his spell takes a while to charge...
Without condition - every hero may do that they will just need farm and levels, where as you pointed KotL may clear creeps on level 7 which is acceptable condition IMO. Same goes for two heroes using their long ranged spells. But Ezalor being a good hero is not as versatile as WR or Puck and he is too situational and hard to play effectively as a whole.

In case of 'no conditions' the best counter pusher will be Sven with 6 tier 4 items. He may defend against 3 side mega creeps so there will not be a problem to walk in like a man and clear the creeps and enemies in one mighty blow. Or even Gyrocopter with his Flak Cannons and some Divine Rapiers he will just one shot them.
In my previous post I do write most of the things the OP or other who may need this information needs to know. So I will not comment any further unnecessarily.
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Old 05-03-2012, 01:53 AM   #50
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Old 05-18-2012, 10:53 PM   #51
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Techies with agha and good mana regen items.
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Old 05-18-2012, 11:03 PM   #52
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I prefer a fat medusa because the nonstop high dmg output in few seconds is just the most insane I ever saw.
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Old 06-29-2012, 04:08 PM   #53
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