[ITEM] The Crippler

[seikishi]

The Crippler

A demonic bow so designed to cripple its target, anyone foolish enough to attempt in escaping his doom, will simply hasten his own demise

REQUIREMENTS:


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COST:6000 (recipe of 450)

OLD STATISTICS:

+25 agility
+10 damage
+16 strength
Lesser Maim (15% chance to reduce movement speed by 20% for 4 seconds)

NEW STATISTICS:

+30 agility
+15 damage
+20 strength
Cripple (15% chance to Cripple a target for 5 seconds)



Cripple:

The target gets crippled, if the target chooses to act more during such a state, he will get more crippled and exhausted.

- reduces movement speed by 20%
- reduces attack speed by 10%
- reduces attack damage by 15%
- every level of cripple further reduces movement speed, attack speed, and damage by 5%
- cap of 6 stacks
- the target gets more crippled (increases his cripple level) if he does the following:
* moves 300 units
* executes an attack
* casts a spell

Note:
- in the description it says "anyone foolish enough to attempt in escaping his doom, will simply hasten his own demise," so it is suggested that it would be wise for one to simply stand firm and wait for the debuff to be removed than to increase the level of cripple -- same principle we have when we get ruptured, mana leaked or have axe cast call on us
- cripple effect would probably be that of regular necromancer cripple in the old ladder game

Changelog:
14 October 2009
- created item

Credits:
- icon by Palaslayer

[seikishi]

Once again guys, please help me refine the item, don't immediately judge due to numbers but due to concept.

[-Yuuh™]

Now it's the fourth eaglehorn recipe.. when this will stop? You realy wanna implement a new recipe for eagle boy. I'm busy right now, I'll review it later.

[seikishi]

Originally Posted by -Yuuh™

Now it's the fourth eaglehorn recipe.. when this will stop? You realy wanna implement a new recipe for eagle boy. I'm busy right now, I'll review it later.

I won't stop until I have my very own Eaglehorn recipe implemented in DotA. >_< mwahaha. I might kill myself if an Eaglehorn recipe comes out and it isn't mine.

Kidding.

[alexjz]

I think this item is not balance.The concept is also not balance.

And also the nightmare of carry hero.They are already under picked, and you are here giving suggestion to indirectly nerf them.

[seikishi]

Originally Posted by alexjz

I think this item is not balance.

Care to explain why at least?

Originally Posted by alexjz

The concept is also not balance.

Now concepts can be unbalanced?

It does less initial maim than SnY, same duration, and increments (which are avoidable) are not that big.

Originally Posted by alexjz

And also the nightmare of carry hero.They are already under picked, and you are here giving suggestion to indirectly nerf them.

By suggesting an item that can be bought on such carry heroes? Consider the rest of the facets of DotA and ways to counter this item. just because you find one instance wherein this item is deadly, doesn't mean we should disregard it completely or be negatively framed as such.

Besides, current metagame is already shifting to Physical DPS heroes, so your statement can be deemed as inaccurate.

[Repeats]

the components are really bad... all you made was a better version of SnY thats more expensive and harder to farm for carries, and is an complete disable for 4 seconds... you bascially cannot move, fight back, or cast a spell to defend yourself? lol might as well get this over guinsoo now.

T-down. All you are doing with all these eagle horn recipes is making better versions of the components, which is 0 origininality in itself. Ive seen some of your others and they lack any kind of creative mix.

[seikishi]

I totally respect your points, but please allow me to mention some things.

In my suggestions, what I aim to do is create more variety as well, instead of just making meaningful, yet repetitive, things. What do you expect me to do? Create a new item first and then incorporate it into Eaglehorn? At least my items currently provide new trees into items containing just one (sometimes no) upgrade. It creates more variety and more fun eventually.

Originally Posted by Repeats

the components are really bad... all you made was a better version of SnY thats more expensive and harder to farm for carries, and is an complete disable for 4 seconds... you bascially cannot move, fight back, or cast a spell to defend yourself? lol might as well get this over guinsoo now.

Initially, it isn't already a better version of SnY since there is no Yasha effect and the initial decrease has less reduced movement speed and attack speed. Something of similar context can be said for Manta Style. But of course I made it similar to SnY, I couldn't simply disregard the Maim orb.

Hard to farm? And what of the other items with similar price? The components are fine, Sange has a good orb and a good boost to HP while Eaglehorn has its own obvious merits.

Besides, do you even know what complete disable means? Learn to read. You still can fight, move, or cast spells, but in doing so, it will exhaust you incrementally. So it is up for you to decide if doing so will be to your benefit. For example, you get Crippled and you are Sven, simply stun and TP away if you are so concerned about it. Let us not disregard the other facets of DotA.

Originally Posted by Repeats

T-down. All you are doing with all these eagle horn recipes is making better versions of the components,

/facepalm

And what of the numerous other item suggestions around here that improve on their components?

Originally Posted by Repeats

which is 0 origininality in itself. Ive seen some of your others and they lack any kind of creative mix.

Again, what do you expect me to do? Create new items and then combine them to Eaglehorn? At least I try to deviate from the aspects of the original components. How is that 0 "origininality"?

Stygian Annihilator - gains incremental armor reduction
Soulslayer - bonus damage is derived from Maximum HP
Bloodfrenzy - gets stronger but makes you potentially weaker with kills (agi equivalent of Bloodstone perhaps)

And with The Crippler, you see it deviate from ordinary maim.

All of these are novel ideas and are not that commonplace in DotA.

And what of creative mix? What do you mean? Make a recipe in the lines of Eaglehorn/Headress/Robe of Magi?

[Kaixa]

+ strength and + agility? What the hell is the point of it? If I want SnY I'd make one for 4500 gold, not a 6k waste of time.

This item is uncreative, it's essentially a unoriginal and more expensive version of SnY, I've seen your other items too, it's always always based on existing orb items.

If you want to create a new item for eaglehorn, then make one that's better than butterfly, and right now, it's all redundant when I can buy cheaper and stronger items with the same amount of gold.

[seikishi]

Originally Posted by Kaixa

+ strength and + agility? What the hell is the point of it? If I want SnY I'd make one for 4500 gold, not a 6k waste of time.

This item is uncreative, it's essentially a unoriginal and more expensive version of SnY, I've seen your other items too, it's always always based on existing orb items.

If you want to create a new item for eaglehorn, then make one that's better than butterfly, and right now, it's all redundant when I can buy cheaper and stronger items with the same amount of gold.

/sigh

Have you not read any of the discussion, not only with this one but the other items as well? At least I can say all in all I just want to create an item that shows how current items with one or no recipe tree can be advanced. What's the point of it?

1) It adds a new recipe tree for Sange and Eaglehorn.
2) It provides a marginally better stat gain than SnY given its price(thereby providing more attack speed, health, damage).
3) It adds more variety and can make Sange more viable for example.

Furthermore, try looking at the Cripple effect.This item is potentially stronger than SnY by the way. Jesus, unoriginal you say? I used Sange as a component, of course I will stay true to its context. What do you want? For this item to suddenly provide mana regen out of the blue?

Have you not seen how the other recipes I've made deviate from their ordinary nature and somehow become novel ideas? Sure my items are based on existing orbs. But notice how Deso and MoM have no upgrade and Crystalys only has Buriza to advance it. I just want to create variety and viable advances with regard to them. Well, fine, do what you want, my items have their own merits, but saying you can buy cheaper items which are stronger is entirely debatable of course. Just try to appreciate how items currently marginally used can be advanced by creating my item suggestions.

And how can I avoid redundancy? Of course we have to use pre-existing items. What do you suggest, that I suggest items that are not in the game and then incorporate them into Eaglehorn? With your perspective, the same context about redundancy can be said to all current item suggestions.

Next time, when one person tries to forward a friendly discussion regarding something, I suggest you adopt the same demeanor.

[dominator02]

All of your Items(crippler,stygian annihilator,soulslayer and bloodfrenzy) have eaglehorn requirements to create this item.why you always use eaglehorn?

[seikishi]

For one, it has just one recipe tree with Butterfly and two, let's just say I really love bows

[FlamingFist]

simply nc

[seikishi]

Originally Posted by xan029

simply nc

Thanks

[Elements-]

I suggest putting a cap on the reduces of MS/AS/AD and the duration.

[Elle']

^
Should have a cap of around 50% Cripple?T-up if it has that.

[eliebouzeid]

Don't get me wrong i like ur idea but this is what i think:
This item gives nearly what sny gives but without movement speed and better slow effect(in my opinion its original not like others, i really like the cripple effect, very good concept)
So i think its better if u keep the eagle horn, remove the sange and use another item instead, but make it pure dps (i mean like battlefury, deso... no hp or mana).
U don't have to include sange to have the cripple effect, its like sange having the main effect from recipe.
T-up for the concept and using eagle horn.

[TribunXIII]

Should have cap, and shouldn't increase that fast, and shouldn't increase the duration (let fleeing targets have a chance)

Concept is fine, used a similar concept (get dmg if you attack) on shike.

[seikishi]

Originally Posted by eliebouzeid

Don't get me wrong i like ur idea but this is what i think:
This item gives nearly what sny gives but without movement speed and better slow effect(in my opinion its original not like others, i really like the cripple effect, very good concept)
So i think its better if u keep the eagle horn, remove the sange and use another item instead, but make it pure dps (i mean like battlefury, deso... no hp or mana).
U don't have to include sange to have the cripple effect, its like sange having the main effect from recipe.
T-up for the concept and using eagle horn.

Thanks, good points, as to what to replace Sange, I don't know what to use yet, as part of me was motivated to make this because of Sange itself.

[seikishi]

Originally Posted by TribunXIII

Should have cap, and shouldn't increase that fast, and shouldn't increase the duration (let fleeing targets have a chance)

Concept is fine, used a similar concept (get dmg if you attack) on shike.

Yup, after long thought, I am changing stuff about it. thanks for the input, its what I needed

And any similarities to other suggested stuff are purely coincidental