Whats the most effective counter to meepo?

[Mazoku]

ES is definitely good against Meepo, but it's not because of the commonly assumed "Echo Slam when the Meepo drags all clones around in a clump".

Haha, i thought you were implying that ES AOE --> Not the best way to deal with meppo-->ES is then bad against him. While the first part was right, ES is a counter to meppo but not due to Echo Slam.
My bad.

[EyeOfFire]

Great laners and heavy nukers, with a strong back up carry and lots of midgame stunning + pushing power.

As has been discussed, countering Meeps effectively means shutting him down early game - so a great ranged laner (preferably with nukes) is absolutely necessary.

Also helps having a huge nuke or two in your team - microing with meepo is pretty hard when Lion or Zeus can single handedly kill any clone on less than 3/4 health in an instant. And the idea of course is to keep him down and delay his pipe for a very long time.

After that, you'll want a strong fallback carry who can beat him later on or a push lineup that can end the game early.

[cajac909]

ES Lich, Nuff said

[KarmaKarma]

I really don't get why people keep suggesting Lich. You know that Chain Frost gets weaker if there are additional targets, right? If anything, Meepo counters Lich in a teamfight with his sheer numbers.

[Elle']

Originally Posted by KarmaKarma

I really don't get why people keep suggesting Lich. You know that Chain Frost gets weaker if there are additional targets, right? If anything, Meepo counters Lich in a teamfight with his sheer numbers.

They mean Lich as a counter inlane and before Meepo gets 3+ clones in his arsenal and before he farms that pipe. =.= Dark Ritual fucks up meepo who desperately need to get to LVL 6 ASAP. Nova is a pretty good harass skill inlane couple with DR. As an added sidebonus Frost armor reduces the DPS the clones after they've poofbombed someone and autoattacking the target. Chain Frost is only icing on the cake though it is lovely getting a sure kill on 2-3 meepo+clones, though it never really happens to good meepos.

[d.phoenixxx]

Witch Doctor's stun bounce.

Burst damage nukes.

[Kris]

I'd probably throw Omni or SP at him and have a field day. Etheral Fingers don't do too badly either.

Originally Posted by Diamond123

I played enough games with lich vs good meepos. That guy can't split that fast and if he has to or to escape, means he had to give up the battle and becoming more and more passive and useless. Especially when you have an agha, that Meepo becomes ridiculously weak. Also I should mention that a Ghost Scepter fucks him also very hard up. With this kind of combination meepo can just watch his mates dying 1 by 1.

I'm guessing that you haven't played with former wc3 ladder or sc2 T players. They can generally split very effectively and then regroup with poof if they don't tank a chainstun during it.

I'm not even a particularly good ladder player and I don't have many issues splitting the clones and working with smaller groups. You typically have them on F1-F4 as well as various sub groups on 1-5.

[Diamond123]

Originally Posted by Kris

I'd probably throw Omni or SP at him and have a field day. Etheral Fingers don't do too badly either.



I'm guessing that you haven't played with former wc3 ladder or sc2 T players. They can generally split very effectively and then regroup with poof if they don't tank a chainstun during it.

I'm not even a particularly good ladder player and I don't have many issues splitting the clones and working with smaller groups. You typically have them on F1-F4 as well as various sub groups on 1-5.

Do you think OP is gonna face against WC3 ladder or high skilled players? If so, then I am wondering why he is here asking for the best counter vs Meepo.

[kkkdragon123]

Originally Posted by badmafa

You want to delay his level 6 and 11. Early ganks and roaming can put unmanageable pressure on him, but he will eventually get clones. A lot of people will say things like ES, but you don't need AOE so much as burst. Killing one of his clones quickly is the best way to avoid a headache.

I agree. Hence, heroes that isolate one Meepo so that it can be ganked are good. Examples include: Pudge (Meat Hook), Vengeful Spirit (Nether Swap). However, in the hands of a skilled player, he can turn the tables by poofing the rest to you. Hence, once isolated, Meepo should be taken out quickly either by burst or gank.

[Kris]

Originally Posted by Diamond123

Do you think OP is gonna face against WC3 ladder or high skilled players? If so, then I am wondering why he is here asking for the best counter vs Meepo.

I've met players who aren't particularly great at dota but do quite well in RTS. It might not be particularly probable that the OP encounters one of them, however it isn't impossible. Most people who actually play meepo in pubs are players with some ability to micro.

[Pondrac]

Single target burst damage, Sylla, Omni

[Dalailama]

Picking Lich against Meepo isn't really about chainfrosting him on a high lvl, it is about COMPLETELY raping him in the mid lane. Once Lich hits lvl 6, he can kill the lvl 5 or maybe even lvl 4 meepo with no problem, because he is going to be at about half health already from novas, so a nova and a single hit from chain frost + a few autoattacks can rape him. After that, the meepo will basically have to give up mid lane if he wants to farm at all, and he will not have his mid game advantage at all.

[sargeras66]

Confused as to why omni is a good counter.

[jyzzy]

Originally Posted by Kris

I've met players who aren't particularly great at dota but do quite well in RTS. It might not be particularly probable that the OP encounters one of them, however it isn't impossible. Most people who actually play meepo in pubs are players with some ability to micro.

Meepo is actually much more easier to play than ladder melee maps or campaigns, in campaigns(horde's comes to mind since it's a hero based one) has 4 constant heroes with 4 different skills, different levels of tankability, different stats, different MS, that all multiplied by 6 items of which at least half are usable/consumable

let it lost rex's bear and boar, the 3 pandas, the serpents of voodoo shaman, the mercenaries, the dominated wilds via runes, the units given in certain quests and much more other...

not separating 2(lvl 6 meepo) units with the same skills and ms while they are frostchained is retarded, those who cant need to play some Leoric, not Meepo

[Kris]

Originally Posted by sargeras66

Confused as to why omni is a good counter.

Because he absolutely rapes melee opponents in lane while being incredibly threatening if he gets early farm/exp.

Originally Posted by jyzzy

Meepo is actually much more easier to play than ladder melee maps or campaigns, in campaigns(horde's comes to mind since it's a hero based one) has 4 constant heroes with 4 different skills, different levels of tankability, different stats, different MS, that all multiplied by 6 items of which at least half are usable/consumable

let it lost rex's bear and boar, the 3 pandas, the serpents of voodoo shaman, the mercenaries, the dominated wilds via runes, the units given in certain quests and much more other...

not separating 2(lvl 6 meepo) units with the same skills and ms while they are frostchained is retarded, those who cant need to play some Leoric, not Meepo

I am aware that ladder requires far more attention to detail than the micro of geomancer. I was simply making a point that players who can keep up with the demands of midskilled ladder play would likely be easily able to handle a geomancer.

Not trying to take away from ladder because I respect how much energy it can take to keep track of everything there.

[Apparentlynew]

Not certain anymore, but repel should make you immune to earth bind, though it won't remove an earthbind that's on you. Repel also solves poof. Purification is a strong nuke and meepo is sometimes clustered around a target - although when meepo is 16 he won't be running around in a group much unless he's stupid.

And what Kris said about lanes.

[Mazoku]

Not certain anymore, but repel should make you immune to earth bind,

It does make you inmune to earth blind, it was changed arround 40 versons ago.

[jyzzy]

Originally Posted by Kris

Because he absolutely rapes melee opponents in lane while being incredibly threatening if he gets early farm/exp.

he rapes the ones who need lasthits, a move useless for meepo since it puts him in danger...
a smart player will focus on denies instead of lasthits when against meepo, and not only omni can deny
his slowing capabilities are epic but useless when meepo can outdps him(easily acomplished by lvl 11 with vlad's and medalion along with the standart core) or perma-earthbind him

Originally Posted by Kris

I was simply making a point that players who can keep up with the demands of midskilled ladder play would likely be easily able to handle a geomancer.

& I was affirmating that.

[NraYZdgeurL]

Heroes who can deal fast with 1 clone like pudge,NA or heavy nukers like lina,lion

[Kris]

Originally Posted by jyzzy

he rapes the ones who need lasthits, a move useless for meepo since it puts him in danger...
a smart player will focus on denies instead of lasthits when against meepo, and not only omni can deny
his slowing capabilities are epic but useless when meepo can outdps him(easily acomplished by lvl 11 with vlad's and medalion along with the standart core) or perma-earthbind him



& I was affirmating that.

Soloing against a defensive geo is practically a freefarm lane for Omni. I'll happily take a practically free SR-->AB-->Blink and cast AOE finger of death on everything for the next 15 minutes before the game starts to stabilize.