[INTERFACE] Split Shot

Terresquall · 10-17-2009, 10:12 AM

An Interface Fix

This is more of a fix than a suggestion. Whenever Split Shot gets activated on Medusa, an icon appears above where Mana Shield's icon currently is (bottom right picture). This icon serves no purpose other than to show the player that Split Shot is activated, but a better alternative is simply to remove the icon and replace the Split Shot icon with the engine BTNCancel.blp icon to show that Spilt Shot is activated.

The picture below summarises the suggestion:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infrisios

Well, the problem is that this icon is actually needed since Medusa gets the Barrage ability to allow this split shot.
The only way I could think of would be to replace it with an "invisible" icon, but you would still see it when holding your mouse over it (a tooltip without text).

Codability is not an issue; you can simply put the dummy ability in a spellbook and disable the spellbook. This causes the icon to not show.

Misc.

For those who dislike the cancel icon, kirb has made another deactivation icon for Spilt Shot:

It would also be nice to replace Mana Shield's cancel icon with BTNCancel, since almost all spells in DotA have the standard cancel icon as a deactivation icon. This is, however, not part of this suggestion, and I'll leave that to IceFrog and his team to decide whether or not this is best for the game.

viiva · 10-17-2009, 10:19 AM

Yeah like you said, more of a fix. T-Up

Infrisios · 10-17-2009, 10:36 AM

Well, the problem is that this icon is actually needed since Medusa gets the Barrage ability to allow this split shot.
The only way I could think of would be to replace it with an "invisible" icon, but you would still see it when holding your mouse over it (a tooltip without text).

Still, I T-Up this. Might not be perfect, but it's definitely cleaner.

Schremba · 10-17-2009, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Well, the problem is that this icon is actually needed since Medusa gets the Barrage ability to allow this split shot.
The only way I could think of would be to replace it with an "invisible" icon, but you would still see it when holding your mouse over it (a tooltip without text).

Still, I T-Up this. Might not be perfect, but it's definitely cleaner.

You can make the icon easily invisible. How? You maybe know the ladder item called 'Spellbook' it contains 3 abilities. Just create a new Spellbook ability, edit the spells inside to Splitshot (this you wanna hide) change max and min spell numbers to 1 and finally DISABLE the spellbook ability via triggers. You an't see/click it anymore, but still the passiv works.

Taken from Hiveworkshop Tutorial:

Quote:

Spellbooks:

This tutorial introduces you how the spellbook works.

What is a spellbook?:
A spell book is an item ability which is able to store many different abilities.
The spellbook works for units aswell.

But it isn't. Whenever you click on it, it will open something i would call a "skill tree".
It looks like any other normal active ability ingame.

Well, later on it was discovered that if you disable a spellbook, the only thing that changed was that the icon was gone, and is unable to be opened. BUT, all passive abilities inside the spell book still works fine!

This was a huge discovery.
It was finnaly possible to hide passive skills completly while still having their effects.

This is one of the most common known features of the spellbook.

Find the link here!

I already used this technique several times. It works fine. So instead of adding the visible icon, just add the disabled spellbook.

EseQueL · 10-17-2009, 11:41 AM

T-up!

Bovver · 10-17-2009, 11:44 AM

It's ok, I like it

Infrisios · 10-17-2009, 11:57 AM

Ah, that's how this spellbook hiding works.
I heard of it, but I did not know how it works.
If it is possible, it should, of course, be done.

doomsheep · 10-17-2009, 12:01 PM

obvious fix is obvious

Terresquall · 10-18-2009, 11:30 AM

Quote:

I already used this technique several times. It works fine. So instead of adding the visible icon, just add the disabled spellbook.

Seeing as Split Shot is a very old ability, it must've been made before the spellbook workaround was discovered. Newer abilities like Shapeshift and Leap all add new abilities to get certain of the skill'sl effects and they all use the Spellbook workaround to hide these abilities.

All the more reason to implement this fix--there's no reason Split Shot shouldn't be updated.

TheDamneD · 10-18-2009, 11:36 AM

T-Up, obvious reasons.

NoThlnG · 10-19-2009, 12:20 AM

Better, more simple and more clear. T-Up

thoby123 · 10-19-2009, 03:19 AM

Obvious fix is obvious. Support!
BTW for your afternote, Mana Shield already uses its own unique 'deact' icon so there's not much need for changing it

AXN · 10-19-2009, 04:37 AM

I remember there are some heroes who have this cancel button mode... It looks better and orderly so T-Up!

Linism · 10-21-2009, 07:08 AM

Definitely Thumbs-Up.

Ez_Mystery · 10-21-2009, 07:17 AM

instant

Shatterman · 10-21-2009, 09:42 AM

nice fix, no brainer. t-up

Talor Karos · 10-21-2009, 01:39 PM

T-up

vertigo12 · 10-22-2009, 02:11 AM

THe problem with your work around is when medusa has an illusion and split shot is activated. Take note that illusions benefit from Split shot and mana shield. How will it be indicated on illusions...Better yet just make the icon into passive icon on the control button position it is placed.

NLZ · 10-23-2009, 10:02 PM

Well, if the icon is needed it sould have at least passive border.

ILikeYou · 10-23-2009, 10:05 PM

T-Up, thats a no-brainer, why not^^

10-17-2009, 10:19 AM	#2
viiva Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 496	Re: [INTERFACE] Split Shot Yeah like you said, more of a fix. T-Up

10-17-2009, 10:36 AM	#3
Infrisios Forum Staff Join Date: May 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 2,892 Blog Entries: 4	Re: [INTERFACE] Split Shot Well, the problem is that this icon is actually needed since Medusa gets the Barrage ability to allow this split shot. The only way I could think of would be to replace it with an "invisible" icon, but you would still see it when holding your mouse over it (a tooltip without text). Still, I T-Up this. Might not be perfect, but it's definitely cleaner. __________________ Why MOBA is a bad acronym for DotA-like games Mechanic Article - Clickability My suggestions RATATATATA When they come for me, I'll be sitting at my desk With a gun in my hand, wearing a bulletproof vest singing "My, my, my, how the time does fly, when you know you're going to die By the end of the night." And said hey - Streetlight Manifesto - Keasbey Nights

10-17-2009, 11:41 AM	#5
EseQueL Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Ernas Posts: 608	Re: [INTERFACE] Split Shot T-up!

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Bovver Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: England Posts: 2,242	Re: [INTERFACE] Split Shot It's ok, I like it

10-17-2009, 11:57 AM	#7
Infrisios Forum Staff Join Date: May 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 2,892 Blog Entries: 4	Re: [INTERFACE] Split Shot Ah, that's how this spellbook hiding works. I heard of it, but I did not know how it works. If it is possible, it should, of course, be done. __________________ Why MOBA is a bad acronym for DotA-like games Mechanic Article - Clickability My suggestions RATATATATA When they come for me, I'll be sitting at my desk With a gun in my hand, wearing a bulletproof vest singing "My, my, my, how the time does fly, when you know you're going to die By the end of the night." And said hey - Streetlight Manifesto - Keasbey Nights

10-17-2009, 12:01 PM	#8
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10-18-2009, 11:36 AM	#10
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10-19-2009, 12:20 AM	#11
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10-19-2009, 03:19 AM	#12
thoby123 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 913 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [INTERFACE] Split Shot Obvious fix is obvious. Support! BTW for your afternote, Mana Shield already uses its own unique 'deact' icon so there's not much need for changing it __________________ Bottle fame, brew glory- A guide to the underloved, underestimated Alchemist. Now comes in semi-Premium quality! Currently trapped in study limbo, spastic activity for now SUGGESTIONS: Give Lich jazzhands! Alchie needs a new Greed! Pit o' Malice needs more pizzaz! Flesh Golem/Tombstone makeover anyone? Upgrade Complete! Newbie-friendly commands! Make BH's Wind Walk synergise! Make Gnoll a Gnoll! IMPLEMENTED: Give Dirge some real disease!

10-19-2009, 04:37 AM	#13
AXN Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Philippines Posts: 720	Re: [INTERFACE] Split Shot I remember there are some heroes who have this cancel button mode... It looks better and orderly so T-Up! __________________ COSMETIC SUGGESTIONS: 1.) LORD OF AVERNUS COSMETIC REMAKE 2.) NIGHT STALKER'S CASTING ANIMATIONS Half implemented 3.) TREANT PROTECTOR'S COSMETIC REMAKE - Half implemented 4.) LYCANTHROPE'S COSMETIC REMAKE 5.) NERUBIAN WEAVER'S COSMETIC REMAKE 6.) NERUBIAN ASSASSIN'S VENDETTA ANIMATION 7.) REMOVE AGHANIM'S SPIKES - Half implemented 8.) OMNIKNIGHT'S DEGEN AURA ANIMATION 9.) MOON RIDER AND DROW RANGER AURA ANIMATIONS

10-21-2009, 07:08 AM	#14
Linism Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: location, location! Posts: 2,832	Re: [INTERFACE] Split Shot Definitely Thumbs-Up.

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10-21-2009, 09:42 AM	#16
Shatterman Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 4,208	Re: [INTERFACE] Split Shot nice fix, no brainer. t-up

10-21-2009, 01:39 PM	#17
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10-22-2009, 02:11 AM	#18
vertigo12 Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 92	Re: [INTERFACE] Split Shot THe problem with your work around is when medusa has an illusion and split shot is activated. Take note that illusions benefit from Split shot and mana shield. How will it be indicated on illusions...Better yet just make the icon into passive icon on the control button position it is placed.

10-23-2009, 10:02 PM	#19
NLZ Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3	Re: [INTERFACE] Split Shot Well, if the icon is needed it sould have at least passive border.

10-23-2009, 10:05 PM	#20
ILikeYou Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 921	Re: [INTERFACE] Split Shot T-Up, thats a no-brainer, why not^^