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Old 10-20-2009, 08:43 AM   #1
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Red face item builds for Nessaj ?


Need some opinions on what items to get for nessaj..

My build :
1. Boots of speed
2. Vlad
3. Battlefury
4. HoT

If game drags long enough,
5. Satanic
6. Desolator/Radiance

i know many ppl will say 'wth no AoM?! ' err but itis possible to play nessaj without it? I am not good in using it.. =x.

Criticism please.. (no extreme flaming pls..i am just a noob)
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Old 10-20-2009, 08:50 AM   #2
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To begin with excuses like "I'm not good at using Armlet" are kind of ridiculous. Simply using it more will make you familiar with its uses. Ofc there are some cases where armlet might be a bad choice specifically against several DoT spells, but for its cost and buildup it offers to str heroes that need DPS what no other item does, burst EHP and DPS in a very low price.

Anyway, if you insist in not using it, Diffusal goes well if you're playing like a ganker and also need firepower vs heroes, Manta also works very well on him, all stats and IAS and ms are very good, so are the illusions with his very good base stats.

Generally if for whatever reason you need to have a more passive itemset, I'd suggest Hot->Fly for uber extra carrying illusions.

Battlefury/Vlads is crap on him, Desolator/Radiance slightly above crap and Satanic mediocre at best, though it's good if you seem to not rely on your illusions too much.

I hope you know how to play him early on with QB -> Stick -> Bottle -> Wand -> Treads and optional Bracers then gank,gank,gank till you're fed to get your big owning items.
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Old 10-20-2009, 08:56 AM   #3
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As for me, my build is :
Core :
1. Power Treads(Strength)
2. Bracer
3. Bracer
4. Armlet of Mordiggian
5. Helm of the Dominator
6. TP Scrolls,

Luxury :
Heart of Tarrasque
Satanic
Assault Cuirass.

That's for 6.64 btw.
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Old 10-20-2009, 09:03 AM   #4
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str treads bracers bottle early --> stack hearts. 40dmg to your illusions; nothing else comes close from any item.
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Old 10-20-2009, 09:10 AM   #5
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To begin with excuses like "I'm not good at using Armlet" are kind of ridiculous. Simply using it more will make you familiar with its uses. Ofc there are some cases where armlet might be a bad choice specifically against several DoT spells, but for its cost and buildup it offers to str heroes that need DPS what no other item does, burst EHP and DPS in a very low price.

Anyway, if you insist in not using it, Diffusal goes well if you're playing like a ganker and also need firepower vs heroes, Manta also works very well on him, all stats and IAS and ms are very good, so are the illusions with his very good base stats.

Generally if for whatever reason you need to have a more passive itemset, I'd suggest Hot->Fly for uber extra carrying illusions.

Battlefury/Vlads is crap on him, Desolator/Radiance slightly above crap and Satanic mediocre at best, though it's good if you seem to not rely on your illusions too much.

I hope you know how to play him early on with QB -> Stick -> Bottle -> Wand -> Treads and optional Bracers then gank,gank,gank till you're fed to get your big owning items.
oh ok thx for the advice..
What are DoT spells? =/
Btw, just a side question, does aura work on illusions too?
Err can you explain more on usage of armlet? Cos the degen is kinda crazy at times..
Any reccommended boots?or jus norm boot?
And does nessaj really have mana issues?

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Old 10-20-2009, 09:22 AM   #6
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Core

Power Treads
Circlets/Gauntlets/Bracers/Magic Wand
Bottle
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Old 10-20-2009, 09:22 AM   #7
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My build:
Power treads (strength)
Battlefury
Dominator or Vladimir (depends on situation)
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Old 10-20-2009, 09:49 AM   #8
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DoT = Damage over Time, such as Poison Nova. Note that it is different from DPS = Damage per Second such as Doom, as DPS Kills, while DoT leaves you with 2 HP. CMIIW.

And IIRC, Illusions benefit from Aura because it gives a buff, and buff affects illusions, such as Yasha buff.
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Old 10-20-2009, 10:09 AM   #9
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Default Re: item builds for Nessaj ?

sure he can do 3 illusions at lvl 16 but hes still a fucking str hero.

manta is reasonable if you want to be annoying but diffusal is just meh. your core is bracers and treads, then some dps items but not battlefury.

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aura from yasha affects illusions. all endurance aura based auras do so.
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Old 10-20-2009, 10:15 AM   #10
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Phase boots,bottle,wand for me early games to gank.
After that build armlet>manta style.
Armlet works wonder for ck, as a ganker, he needs the burst damage and hp with the 4 second stun, the damage is alot. Armlet increases your strength therefore after armlet, its good to buy manta style for more beefy illusion and pushing potential. Remember to on armlet before manta. Sometimes i also go for diffusal blade even though he is not a agi hero.
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Old 10-20-2009, 10:39 AM   #11
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why phases? blink cd is 5 seconds so he hardly gets much use of the phase, unlike IAS and hp from treads.
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Old 10-20-2009, 11:10 AM   #12
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Here's what he needs:
Boots -> upgrade to BoT
Hands of Midas
Bfury
Vlads
SnY
Assault Cuirass

Reasoning is simple, the better items you have the more you'll be able to contribute to teamfights. A good strategy is to lane with a babysitter like Warlock, then use your ulti to jungle after lv6 (so WL can solo).
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Old 10-20-2009, 11:32 AM   #13
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Okay definitely do not listen to Milk.Nessaj's core skill unlike most people think is not his crit with a pathetic agi gain,attack animation and chance or his illusions which come every 2 mins unless the game goes pretty late but is his short cooldown 2-4 second ranged stun!!Maximize it by ganking.Items like armlet,HoT,SnY,Manta are all good on him.But if you rice for those items you are going to be really subpar as his farming speed is pretty much pathetic.Most of your gold should come via chasing down stragglers,ganking assists and kills.

2nd point,Nessaj always contributes to team fights.Mostly due to his 4 second stuns which are a pain to deal with.

Late game his illusions help him compare to other decent carries.Still ricing on Nessaj is kind of one of the worst things to do.

Item build should be 2-3 Bracers,Threads,Bottle,Armlet,Diffusal,Manta,HoT

Also Diffusal is plain annoying on him.Purge hit hit hit stun hit hit hit hurts and you cannot escape even.
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Old 10-20-2009, 11:58 AM   #14
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DoT = Damage over Time, such as Poison Nova. Note that it is different from DPS = Damage per Second such as Doom, as DPS Kills, while DoT leaves you with 2 HP. CMIIW.

And IIRC, Illusions benefit from Aura because it gives a buff, and buff affects illusions, such as Yasha buff.
thx for clarifying ^^. so Vlad's aura benefits illusions as well right?

Hmms okay..many possible item builds now..

But nessaj seems to suffer from a lack of mana everytime i use him ><
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1*Bracer+Wand OR 2*Bracer
Power treads (STR)
(Bottle if you are roaming/ganking as you should)
Armlet of Mordiggian

Luxuries are up to you and depends on the enemy line-up. I usually go for HoT.

Edit: Illusions DOES NOT benefit from Vladimir's offering, nor from +damage items, you will need stats. And SnY is useless on a blink+stun hero.
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Old 10-20-2009, 12:12 PM   #16
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thx for clarifying ^^. so Vlad's aura benefits illusions as well right?

Hmms okay..many possible item builds now..

But nessaj seems to suffer from a lack of mana everytime i use him ><
Do not get Vlads.Illusions do not benefit from the lifesteal or the armor auras.

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Period.Get a bottle and pick up some runes.That is all!!!
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Old 10-20-2009, 12:14 PM   #17
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vlads doesnt benefit illusions. its based on command aura, brilliance aura, devotion aura and vampiric aura. none of those is endurance aura.
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Old 10-20-2009, 01:04 PM   #18
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1 magic wand 1 bracer boots bottle Diffusal finish phase Armlet (vlad)

You do not benefit from IAS it only weakens your ultimate since it's easy to tell who's the real one since it attacks way faster.

CK is a ganker Diffusal helps in ganking bottle as well Armlet is also a burst item so it suits you. Vlad can't be gotten to early due to aura's fuck up ganking chances. And you won't need it untill you've finished armlet anyway.

Vlad is gotten to support allies and to cope with the degen of armlet when your NOT using your ultimate. But it's optional and a luxury.

And gankers are always the back-up support for the carry anyway
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Has anyone considered Necronomicon+Manta for buffed Up Illusions w/ 2 necros?
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Old 10-20-2009, 02:38 PM   #20
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oh i see.. So in general, core items are:

1. Tread Str
2. Manta
3. Diffusal
4. Armlet
5. Heart

Situational:
1. SnY
2. Assault Cuirass
3. Satanic

How is it? ><

Btw the necro combo.. Imo, hard to pull off? Cos nessaj's mana is darn low?
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oh i see.. So in general, core items are:

1. Tread Str
2. Manta
3. Diffusal
4. Armlet
5. Heart

Situational:
1. SnY
2. Assault Cuirass
3. Satanic

How is it? ><

Btw the necro combo.. Imo, hard to pull off? Cos nessaj's mana is darn low?
Manta after Armlet Diffusal over manta

SnY Satanic AC = a Pubbuild

Necro will grant the mana by itself
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Has anyone considered Necronomicon+Manta for buffed Up Illusions w/ 2 necros?
I have tried it on 2-3 matches and it works pretty good. But your team must have another carrỉer for late game like Terrorblade or Luna,...

My build:
- Bottle
- Boot of Speed
- Staff of Wizardry > Belt > Necronomicon 1,2,3
- Armlet
- BoT
Max Chaos Bolt first, one lvl of Blink, a few lvl of stats and max Blink later. Critical Strike and Phantasm is not good as stats in this build.
When ganking alone, Chaos Bolt first. If the stun last 3-4 second then Blink Strike and summon Necros, otherwise stay back and keep spamming Chaos Bolt until you can get a 3-4 sec stun. (With Necronomicon you won't run out of mana)

After Necronomicon lvl 3 you can go BoT or Armlet, depending on the situation
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Manta after Armlet Diffusal over manta

SnY Satanic AC = a Pubbuild

Necro will grant the mana by itself
hehe oh yeah..necro provides int .. =).

isit ok to get necro 1st to solve early game mana issues or stats will do?

Necro combo sounds pretty cool.. 3 necro warriors + aura + 3 phantasm illusion + some necro skills .. Woo~
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Old 10-21-2009, 06:27 AM   #24
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Okay definitely do not listen to Milk.Nessaj's core skill unlike most people think is not his crit with a pathetic agi gain,attack animation and chance or his illusions which come every 2 mins unless the game goes pretty late but is his short cooldown 2-4 second ranged stun!!Maximize it by ganking.Items like armlet,HoT,SnY,Manta are all good on him.But if you rice for those items you are going to be really subpar as his farming speed is pretty much pathetic.Most of your gold should come via chasing down stragglers,ganking assists and kills.

2nd point,Nessaj always contributes to team fights.Mostly due to his 4 second stuns which are a pain to deal with.

Late game his illusions help him compare to other decent carries.Still ricing on Nessaj is kind of one of the worst things to do.

Item build should be 2-3 Bracers,Threads,Bottle,Armlet,Diffusal,Manta,HoT

Also Diffusal is plain annoying on him.Purge hit hit hit stun hit hit hit hurts and you cannot escape even.
How is ricing bad on Nessaj? Let's put two games side-by-side:
1) Riced Nessaj, 40 mins, contributes a LOT to his team because he has strong items.
2) Non-riced Nessaj, 40 mins, teams are in equal position, stun helps in teamfights but he doesn't pose a threat to other farmed-up heroes because he spent the whole game roaming.
Assuming equal position, which would you prefer? Is a little farming necessarily bad for Nessaj? Are you advising against your own item build for nessaj?

You list a bunch of 3/4-tier items as the item build and say that they are all great on him, but then advise against farming them. What's the point in mentioning them then? If he shouldn't be getting them, then obviously they are not great for him. But if he farms, as he is supposed to, then they would be great for him.

Also, his illusions last for 20 seconds and cd is 140 seconds. It's for burst dps against disabled targets, not exactly the same role or power as other late-game illu heroes which can spam them more easily.

Lastly, you drink milk. Why would you take dota advice from milk?
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Btw, how to make use of armlet properly?
Eg: activate armlet then blink strike then chaos bolt ?
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DoT = Damage over Time, such as Poison Nova. Note that it is different from DPS = Damage per Second such as Doom, as DPS Kills, while DoT leaves you with 2 HP. CMIIW.
This is incorrect. Damage over Time spells are considered any spells that aren't dealing their damage in one blow. Doom, Dismember, Rot, Shadow Strike are all DoT spells. DPS is refferring to the units Damage per Second considering his Damage/IAS (more complicated formula with bonus damages via critical's/stuns/mini-stuns/other attack modifiers).

Also the only Auras illusions benefit from are Endurance and Slow Aura. They also carry the Tornado Building Damage aura (the one Radiance has). Any other auras do NOT work on them at all.

Protip; Yasha's movespeed and attackspeed buff is granted through an endurance aura which is why illusions get it.
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You do not benefit from IAS it only weakens your ultimate since it's easy to tell who's the real one since it attacks way faster.
then you continue with:

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Old 10-21-2009, 11:15 AM   #28
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Clear and simple, PT(str mode, he doesn't need phase, or the +24 dmg, besides, Str PT is +10 dmg, so +14 is useless in comparison to +190 health), armlet (cheap and very effective), then orb of choice. I usually go diffusal, rare occasions I'll do MoM.
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Btw, how to make use of armlet properly?
Eg: activate armlet then blink strike then chaos bolt ?
Doesn't really matter, activation is instant. I usually like to get in close with blink, activate. few hits, follow them(imba movespeed ) and throw the stun. Hope for 4s, then blink after them again. Keep blinking as long as its safe, stun if you got mana, otherwise purge and hope you've done enough damage.
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This is incorrect. Damage over Time spells are considered any spells that aren't dealing their damage in one blow. Doom, Dismember, Rot, Shadow Strike are all DoT spells. DPS is refferring to the units Damage per Second considering his Damage/IAS (more complicated formula with bonus damages via critical's/stuns/mini-stuns/other attack modifiers).

Also the only Auras illusions benefit from are Endurance and Slow Aura. They also carry the Tornado Building Damage aura (the one Radiance has). Any other auras do NOT work on them at all.

Protip; Yasha's movespeed and attackspeed buff is granted through an endurance aura which is why illusions get it.
hehs thx for the clarification ^^. Anyway,I didnt know abt the SnY stuff lol beforehand.
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Doesn't really matter, activation is instant. I usually like to get in close with blink, activate. few hits, follow them(imba movespeed ) and throw the stun. Hope for 4s, then blink after them again. Keep blinking as long as its safe, stun if you got mana, otherwise purge and hope you've done enough damage.
hahas ic.. Btw i am not sure abt purge. The item data mentioned that 'non hero units will be paused instead of slowed' ? Whats the effect of pause? And purge slows by how many %?

Sorry if off topic
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This Is My Build For Nessaj


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1 Bracer
2 Domi or Vladmir? What do you prefer??
3 Threads
4 Armlet
5 HoT
6 dont know yet

optional
SnY
Manta
satanic
cuirass

This is the series
1. bracer
2. boots of speed
3 Domi(1. Mask of death 2. helm of ironwheel) /vladmir (1 Ring of Basilius 2 Ring of Regeneration 3 Recipe)
4. Gloves
5. Belt (Then it became threads)
6. Helm of Iron Will, Gloves, Blades of Attack, Recipe ( Armlet)
7. Messerschmidt's Reaver, Vitality Booster, recipe (Tarrasque)


-- is this ok??? pls reply...
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another ridiculous necro...seriously a topic almost 3 years ago...

lifesteal is useless until lategame
armlet sucks
HH is the single best item on him as a core...shitloads of benefits in one slot
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I'm always building Power treads armlet drum dominator and extension Manta Assault tarrasque.
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Old 04-14-2012, 07:38 AM   #35
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another ridiculous necro...seriously a topic almost 3 years ago...

lifesteal is useless until lategame
armlet sucks
HH is the single best item on him as a core...shitloads of benefits in one slot
I'm glad someone said it.
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Old 04-19-2012, 02:36 AM   #36
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Armlet is also shitloads of benefits in one slot you just dont no how to use it.
HH basically stuns as carry for 3 to 4 sec but carries really only appear at late game during that time they would most likely have either have manta or bkb . . . it does have its uses but disarm is not that good. If bkb is on cd just stun them . . . plus ck does not have mana to spam this ability, save your mana for another stun. This is why I like HoD for 75 mana per cast you get a few cents.
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Old 04-19-2012, 06:19 AM   #37
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Armlet is also shitloads of benefits in one slot you just dont no how to use it.
HH basically stuns as carry for 3 to 4 sec but carries really only appear at late game during that time they would most likely have either have manta or bkb . . . it does have its uses but disarm is not that good. If bkb is on cd just stun them . . . plus ck does not have mana to spam this ability, save your mana for another stun. This is why I like HoD for 75 mana per cast you get a few cents.
da fauq did i just read?

armlet looks good on paper but in reality those benefits are more like liabilities... u can't neutralize the degen like naix, and u can't rape anything in 5 secs without your ult

HH doesn't "basically stun", u cannot compare a stun to a disarm
and most people don't even get HH for the disarm ability

main reason for getting HH is that it increases your EHP by a mile, while still gives you damage as well as a handy ability

it is one of the best items for the gold you are paying...and you benefit from the buildups at every stage...
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Old 04-19-2012, 06:41 AM   #38
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You can actually neutralize the degen as you put it. Illusions don't suffer from it. In other words if you activate Armlet, then cast your ult, illusions will receive the bonus DMG without being subject to the HP/sec loss.
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Old 04-19-2012, 08:20 AM   #39
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My (very) personal style of playing him :

skills : Stun/stats/stun/stats/stun/Blink/stun/Blink/Blink/Blink/Crit/Ulti/Ulti then proceed maxing crit and ulti.

Items : Early game : bracer, urn, boots, you can add a bottle if there is not more than 1 already in your team.

Mid : bracer -> Janggo, boots -> Power treads Strenght, and then you go for straight heart of tarask.

It is possible to add an armlet in midgame, it can boost a lot your damage, I'd say Armlet over Heart depends if you can farm large amount easily at that time or if you prefer small build-up.


I need the extra stats early game for the stun, which can be quite impressive. I don't play illus early cuz I find his stun/blink more effective at that time for the mana cost.
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Old 04-19-2012, 09:44 AM   #40
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Drums are a friggin must on this hero, it gives him much needed manapool and the power to outrun almost anyone with his high base MS, not to mention the active that helps illusions keep chasing.
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