Hand of Midas worth it?

[jyzzy]

Originally Posted by KuroNeko

It works on the bear

No it doesn't. And he meant dota1, because in dota2 bear can use it.

[WoodWyzard]

Its also really good on invoker, only you need to use it on big creeps since you pretty much need only the exp from it.

[Ziggy.Stardust]

Don't usually go for it here, unless for fun, but if I do I like Double HoM on Sylla (D2) or extra cash on Doom.

[flounder]

I like getting it on str carries. Speeds up ricing.

I've noticed that when midas is used in high level matches, they usually transmute the large creeps (preferring more xp) rather than the small creeps (which would prefer gold). Is that really optimal use?

[Drikam]

Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez

What about getting it on Weaver/Lone Druid?

Would it be worth it for the extra gold? Or is it only good if they have Chen/Enchantress (and Warlock maybe?)

Most likely it does not work on Warlocks ultimate. Only purge does.

[McMarto]

Viable for any farming hero if you get it at min 8 or earlier. Chinise supports buy it in late game to kill necro units or Chen/Ench's units.

[Noxonius]

Works on heroes with both pushing and carrying power and it is worth getting if you can get it under 15 minutes.

[fr0zenknife]

Originally Posted by flounder

I like getting it on str carries. Speeds up ricing.

I've noticed that when midas is used in high level matches, they usually transmute the large creeps (preferring more xp) rather than the small creeps (which would prefer gold). Is that really optimal use?

Large creeps get more xp, gold is same.

[GodReaper]

Midas is a game basis by basis item.

Due to its cost (1900) items of similar pricing are higher priority, (Force Staff, Blink, Ghost Staff, Blademail, Janggo, etc.) So unless you cannot use any of these similar items to provide map presence then you *might* get HoM.

[Mittsies]

The issue with midas is that you're delaying being useful for a fair amount of time. Theoretically you could get it on any hero - but for most heroes by the time it pays itself off, you've already missed your early game item potential.

[Aircross]

Worth it if you get it under 8 minutes and the enemy team is not built to push hard early game.

Otherwise, don't get it.

[doommoon]

Originally Posted by flounder

I like getting it on str carries. Speeds up ricing.

I've noticed that when midas is used in high level matches, they usually transmute the large creeps (preferring more xp) rather than the small creeps (which would prefer gold). Is that really optimal use?

Originally Posted by fr0zenknife

Large creeps get more xp, gold is same.

Its whether you prefer to waste time traveling to the neutral creep to transmute or just staying in your lane and get that gold ASAP. Generally I prefer travel ahead of the cooldown to the neutral creep, unless there are missing heroes or heavy ganking, then I sometimes stay in my lane to avoid getting ganked in the forest.

Honestly, this item isn't worth getting, but I usually get it when playing Alchemist or Doom for the lulz.

Since this is likely what you try to get ASAP, more armor/hp regen/mana regen would be great. Added attack speed is somewhat pointless.

[BrokenClock]

The problem is people are looking at it from the perspective that if you farm x amount of creeps the item pays for itself; however, the money spent on hand could be better spent on an item that benefits you in other ways, like extra damage for team fights or just killing creeps a little faster if you're jungling. If you're able to get that clutch kill on a hero because of an item that gave you a little extra something, than that's going to be worth more than some extra creep kills.

[Typhox]

It works quite good on Hard carries, because they usually can't do much in early game anyway and the reliable gold and exp bonus helps them to keep up to the game if they get ganked often.
Currently trying it on OD and works surprisingly well. By minute 35 I can usually buy whatever items I want.
Important to notice for OD is that the 30 attack speed is actually extremely useful for ganking as well.

Originally Posted by doommoon

Its whether you prefer to waste time traveling to the neutral creep to transmute or just staying in your lane and get that gold ASAP. Generally I prefer travel ahead of the cooldown to the neutral creep, unless there are missing heroes or heavy ganking, then I sometimes stay in my lane to avoid getting ganked in the forest.

Honestly, this item isn't worth getting, but I usually get it when playing Alchemist or Doom for the lulz.

lol, you use it wrong. You don't get any advantage when you don't use midas while farming but instead run to far places. I mean, it gives you 190 gold. It shouldn't pay off if you only go for that into the jungle and miss around 5 to 10 lane creeps.

Originally Posted by doommoon

Added attack speed is somewhat pointless.

Everyone who's buying Power Treads probably disagrees with that...

Originally Posted by flounder

I like getting it on str carries. Speeds up ricing.

I've noticed that when midas is used in high level matches, they usually transmute the large creeps (preferring more xp) rather than the small creeps (which would prefer gold). Is that really optimal use?

It depends on your needs. Midas takes a long time to get you the money back that it costs. Depending on your hero (if it makes good use of the extra levels) you might prefer the additional XP over the additional gold.
In addition to that, you have to take into account, that especially in the earlier game stage big creeps take a lot longer to kill than small creeps, so you can actually use it to speed up your farming. Especially when you're not jungling but just traveling through the jungle, it's more useful on a big creep because you won't waste your time to clear that creep camp anyway.

[xpforever]

Originally Posted by flounder

I like getting it on str carries. Speeds up ricing.

I've noticed that when midas is used in high level matches, they usually transmute the large creeps (preferring more xp) rather than the small creeps (which would prefer gold). Is that really optimal use?

In terms of jungle creeps, people often say "midas small creep for more gpm, midas large creep for more xpm". However, I usually go for the large one either way since it takes longer to kill larger creeps so the gpm difference isn't that great.

[slence]

Originally Posted by jyzzy

No it doesn't. And he meant dota1, because in dota2 bear can use it.

In Dota1 Midas doesnt work with bear also. The bear cant activate it

[doommoon]

Originally Posted by Typhox

lol, you use it wrong. You don't get any advantage when you don't use midas while farming but instead run to far places. I mean, it gives you 190 gold. It shouldn't pay off if you only go for that into the jungle and miss around 5 to 10 lane creeps.

Transmute big creeps, get more exp + helps clear the camp easier. Avoids pushing the lanes too hard, if that what you want.
Transmute lane creep, probably save time running here and there, reduce chances of being ganked in the forest/on the way.

Originally Posted by Typhox

Everyone who's buying Power Treads probably disagrees with that...

What I meant is in early stages of the game, I would prefer armor/hp regen/mana regen over attack speed. I understand the most likely item that will be used to made a Hand of Midas is a Glove of Haste, but I just wish they added a Ring of Protection and/or Ring of Regen and/or Sobi Mask into the recipe while keep the overall price the same.

[Typhox]

Originally Posted by doommoon

What I meant is in early stages of the game, I would prefer armor/hp regen/mana regen over attack speed. I understand the most likely item that will be used to made a Hand of Midas is a Glove of Haste, but I just wish they added a Ring of Protection and/or Ring of Regen and/or Sobi Mask into the recipe while keep the overall price the same.

Wouldn't that be too imba? I mean, you don't want to make midas into a must-have item, it's better to be situational. Transmute itself is already very powerful.
I mean, if used often you could get around 4000 bonus gold and a lot of bonus XP as well by 45 minute. And you can still sell it later for another 1000 gold.

[doommoon]

Originally Posted by Typhox

Wouldn't that be too imba? I mean, you don't want to make midas into a must-have item, it's better to be situational. Transmute itself is already very powerful.
I mean, if used often you could get around 4000 bonus gold and a lot of bonus XP as well by 45 minute. And you can still sell it later for another 1000 gold.

It delays your core items. That the main reason why people don't use it. And yes, you can use it to farm a huge amount of gold, but will you have the chance? You can't be just sitting at your lane/neutral camping just waiting to transmute. There will be time where you need to help out with ganking/defending pushes etc etc, where you won't be able to farm.

Its good for a pub game where people don't push that fast and leave opponents farming on their own, but not really that great on competitive matches, or even competitive pub games.

[Skyforger3.0]

I usually get it on Tinker, and keep refreshing. I max out at minute ten and stomp my opponents.