[Neutral Agility] Fraenir, Pandemic Drake •Rworkd•

-Yuuh™ · 10-27-2009, 01:06 PM

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Vote on concept not on numbers! Hero totaly reworked, hope you all like it! Don't just look, give your opinion, review it! ;D

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Pandemic Drake
Fraenir
(Fraener + Fáfnir = Fraenir)

Strength - 16 + [1.75]
Agility - 22 + [2.65]
Intelligence - 17 + [2]

Affiliation:	Neutral
Damage:	43-49
Armor:	3.1
Movespeed:	310
Starting HP/MP:	454/221
Attack Range:	475
Model:	Snap Dragon
Role:	Ganker/Solo/Carry
Theme:	Plage/Parasite

Level 25

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Additional theme: Virus/Infection
Hero model can be tinted green/yellowgreen to fit the skills colour scheme

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Parasite Injection - [Active/Auto-Cast]

____________________ Parasites lodged to saliva of Fraenir are expelled in the attacks infecting its victims. The parasites penetrates the fur causing a corrosive damage that infectum body and reduces the resistance.

__ ____. ________. _______. ___. _______. __________________________.
Mana Cooldown C. Range AoE Duration Effects
1 18
6 sec
500
N/A 10 sec Causes 10 bonus damage and injects 1 parasite that reduce armor by 2
2 18
5.5 sec
500
N/A 10 sec Causes 15 bonus damage and injects 1 parasite that reduce armor by 3
3 18
5 sec
500
N/A 10 sec Causes 20 bonus damage and injects 1 parasite that reduce armor by 4
4 18
4.5 sec
500
N/A 10 sec Causes 25 bonus damage and injects 1 parasite that reduce armor by 5

In Depth Explanation:

Throws parasites in attacks dealing bonus damage and corrupting the armor of foe, the parasites are stackable and has a max cap of 15 parasites. The armor curruption does not stack and has a 10 seconds duration until other attack replace the buff. The injected parasites does not cause damage when in the host body, they will last for 10 seconds(reason: ultimate activity) and the duration can be replaced in the next attacks.

Ability Hotkey: E
Targeting Type: Unit
Allowed Targets: Enemy Units

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Damage type: Magical

Parasite Injection is an Orb Effect Buff Placer.

Parasites lasts 10 seconds and they are stackable.

Max cap of 15 parasites.

Armor reduction lasts 10 seconds and does not stack.

Duration is replaceable.

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Author's Note: Assistance by K1T.

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Malady Swamp - [Active]

____________________ Creates a unhealthy swamp slowing affected enemies in the area and increases the chance to spread parasites. When Fraenir is inside the swamp it increases his attack speed.

__ ____. ________. _______. ___. _______. __________________________.
Mana Cooldown C. Range AoE Duration Effects
1 100
30 sec
600
300
8 sec
Enemies 20% slowed, +2% chance to Virus Mutation and 25% IAS bonus
2 120
30 sec
600
350
8 sec
Enemies 25% slowed, +3% chance to Virus Mutation and 25% IAS bonus
3 140
30 sec
600
400
8 sec
Enemies 30% slowed, +4% chance to Virus Mutation and 25% IAS bonus
4 180
30 sec
600
425
8 sec
Enemies 35% slowed, +5% chance to Virus Mutation and 25% IAS bonus

In Depth Explanation:

Casts a cloudy and poisoned swamp in the targeted area slowing the movement speed of foes in AoE. When Fraenir is in AoE he recives a bonus attack speed. The movement speed of enemies that leave the AoE will be recovered in 3 seconds and the attack speed will be reseted when Fraenir leaves. Enemies inside the AoE have more chance to spread parasites to other enemies. Below you find a table with Virus Mutation and the bonus from Malady Swamp:
(*Orange: Malady Swamp, LightBlue: Virus Mutation and Gray: Chance)

______. Level 1 Level 2 Level 3 Level 4
Level 1
14%
15%
16%
17%
Level 2
19%
20%
21%
22%
Level 3
22%
23%
24%
25%
Level 4
27%
28%
29%
30%

Ability Hotkey: W
Targeting Type: Area
Allowed Targets: Enemy Units

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Enemies affected will restore the MS when leave the swamp in 3 seconds.

Fraenir will instantly restore the AS when leave.

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Virus Mutation - [Passive]

____________________ Housed parasites has a chance to spread on other enemies next to the affected unit refreashing its lifetime. The spread parasites can also mutate infecting new enemies creating a plage chain.

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Mana Cooldown C. Range AoE Duration Effects
1 N/A
N/A
N/A
400
10 sec
12% chance and 1 parasite
2 N/A
N/A
N/A
400
10 sec
17% chance and 2 parasites
3 N/A
N/A
N/A
400
10 sec
20% chance and 3 parasites
4 N/A
N/A
N/A
400
10 sec
25% chance and 4 parasites

In Depth Explanation:

Parasites in a host body can spread to a new host in a 400 AoE of affected unit refreshing its duration. The level of ability determines how many parasites will be spread, they will spread each one to a new target. If there's only two enemies and one of them is affected, if the parasite spread to the other enemy it'll get only 1 parasite instead of 4(Skill at Level 4). These new parasites has the same effect of parasites from first ability(duration and armor reduction) and can spread to another unit too.

Ability Hotkey: N/A
Targeting Type: N/A
Allowed Targets: Enemy Units

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Virus Mutation is an Buff Placer.

The parasites have the same effect of parasites from 1st ability current level.

Each spread parasite can affect only one body.

Will refresh if spread to a already affected unit and will stack.

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Author's Note: Assistance by TribunXIII.

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Manifestation - [Active]

____________________ Fraenir shrieks inciting the parasites in the host body. The parasites becomes outraged and commence ripping and devour the organism of the host dealing each an amount of damage to host organism annihilating every living cell. The explosion of body causes an splashed damage.

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Mana Cooldown C. Range
AoE
Duration Effects
1 220
120 sec
N/A
Global
N/A
Each parasite in the host body deals 50 damage and 75% splash damage in a 300 radius
2 350
120 sec
N/A
Global
N/A
Each parasite in the host body deals 75 damage and 75% splash damage in a 300 radius
3 475
120 sec
N/A
Global
N/A
Each parasite in the host body deals 100 damage and 75% splash damage in a 300 radius

In Depth Explanation:

Fraenir give an acute shout inciting each parasites in the host body causing a manifestation that deals an amount of damage for affected units and gives an 75% splashed damage around the affected units in a 300 radius. Units that doesn't has parasites aren't affected by first damage. Below has a list with the actual damage for the amount of housed parasites.
(*Orange: Parasite Amount, LightBlue: Ultimate level, Gray: Damage Amount)

______. 1_. 2_. 3_. 4_. 5_. 6_. 7_. 8_. 9_. 10_. 11_. 12_. 13_. 14_. 15_.
Level 1 50 100 150 200 250 300 350 400 450 500 550 600 650 700 750
Level 2 75 150 225 300 375 450 525 600 675 750 825 900 975 1025 1100
Level 3 100 200 300 400 500 600 700 800 900 1000 1100 1200 1300 1400 1500

Ability Hotkey: F
Targeting Type: Instant
Allowed Targets: Enemy Units

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Damage type: Magical

Gives true sight 900 range around each affected target for 3 seconds.

This skill works on invisible units.

Does not works on magic immune units.

Does not affect illusions.

Splash damage is dealt in 300 radius of affected unit.

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Author's Note: Yes the damage number is high, but I need a test first to see how works the chance to get 15 parasites with a basic item set at lvl 16 and with a luxury late game item set at lvl 25(With or Without Malady Swamp). Also the amount of damage dealt in a creep wave plus Malady Swamp skill active. Don't judge the numbers at first sight, it may be small at low levels if nerf it much. Thanks for the understanding.

Assistance by K1T.

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Synergies

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Skill Synergy

____________________ Slow and harass synergy that makes the enemy vulnerable and easy target. The bonus for be inside of second skill effect gives you and advantage improving the number of parasites injected with a good damage dealt. This work better with a Repositioning Item making to enemy a surprise strike.
____________________ The plageland sinergy, gives the parasites a great chance to infect more enemies causing a mass plage leaving the targets vulnerable to ultimate effect.
____________________ Simple way to win 1 on 1 combats, this may be useful with some attack speed bonus item giving to Fraenir a way to harm the enemies with few attacks infecting them quickly. Single and quick finishing move.
________________ It's a simple way to harm enemies at early game getting the bonus damage from first ability plus second ability slow and a level 6 ultimate annihilating the enemy with the parasites housed.
________________ Synergy that create a way to easy double kills, Fraenir will attack an enemy and infect the next targets of it increasing the chance of double kills when enemies are together. Ultimate will finish them with a great splash damage for both or more.
____________________ This synergy makes Fraenir a Solo Ganker, with all the bonus attack, armor reduction and a high damage when enemies are very infected. This sinergy will cause some panic for enemies with incridibles double kills, triple kills, ultra kills or even Rampages. It's the ultimating finishing move.

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Hero Synergy

Slow + Harass Synergy
Simple way to slow down the foe making it vulnerable to ganks and nukers. Two or more slow abilities to make foe unable to run with a harass and fast gank.
Ex: Franir Malady Swamp and Rikimaru Smoke Screen, makes the foe unstoppable slow and silences him and also gives more chance for parasites to spread infecting more units. The enemy unit will have small time to escape of skill AoE with a greater slow.

Stunners/Slow Gank Synergy
Great and long stuns making the foe enclosed and vulnerable to a massive damage and sometimes with a slow effect to make a dead end.
Ex: Ogre Mage Fireblast and Ignite with Fraenir Blinking(Dagger) next to target slowing and striking.

Disable + Nuke/Gank Synergy
Simple disables that make the foe unable to live.
Ex: Sylla's Spirit Bear Entangle with TeamRape.

Others
Other types of synergies with same effects or alternative ones.

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Item Synergy

Armor Reduction / Fortfier / Support

MS Support

Mana Support / Slow / Fortfier

Repositioning Item / Exertion Trigger

Protection / Support / Regenenation

Luxury / Damage

Others

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Author's Note: Any suggestion will be welcome.

manafusion · 10-27-2009, 01:15 PM

suggested cd for parasite injection to be 3/2/1/0, final cd for malady swamp is 30 rather than 25, language check for ulti from insiting to inciting and your done.

i give thumbs up to concept and design. Name should be Fran

-Yuuh™ · 10-27-2009, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by manafusion

suggested cd for parasite injection to be 3/2/1/0, final cd for malady swamp is 30 rather than 25, language check for ulti from insiting to inciting and your done.

i give thumbs up to concept and design. Name should be Fran

Thanks I'll change it, I'm Brazilian so it's ok for me to have some errors. The name that you've suggested is kinda of Female name for me. The Fraener is an Epic name of a Dwarf that was transformed into a Dragon, this will help me with the Story so I'll keep this way.

manafusion · 10-27-2009, 01:45 PM

i see, then if you want i suggest you fill your

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EDIT: ya know, i just noticed malady swamps AoE is 300/350/400/425... change it to 300/350/400/450 pls (even)

clickrush · 10-27-2009, 03:01 PM

nice concept and theme.

i only see 1 problem in your suggestion. theres no "wtf gj"-skill in your set, which is actually boring. since you have a passive AND an easytouse/autocast-ability, the hero is very easy to play -> not interesting to play.

my suggestion: remake your first skill "parasite injektion" to something with a bit higher cooldown and something thats not easy to hit (think of nevermore, mirana, meepo etc). with such a skill the hero would be awesome imo.

keep on the nice work

xy4kuz4x · 10-27-2009, 05:05 PM

I'll review later when all stuff is ordered.

-Yuuh™ · 10-27-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by clickrush

nice concept and theme.

i only see 1 problem in your suggestion. theres no "wtf gj"-skill in your set, which is actually boring. since you have a passive AND an easytouse/autocast-ability, the hero is very easy to play -> not interesting to play.

my suggestion: remake your first skill "parasite injektion" to something with a bit higher cooldown and something thats not easy to hit (think of nevermore, mirana, meepo etc). with such a skill the hero would be awesome imo.

keep on the nice work

Yeah, that's not a big problem but I'll think on it. Thx

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Originally Posted by xy4kuz4x

I'll review later when all stuff is ordered.

k okay. :P

iKrivetko · 10-27-2009, 10:30 PM

The Ulti must deal physical dmg imo. That'll add more skill synergy.
Plus, add Stygian Desolator to the Item synergy section.

infer · 10-27-2009, 10:52 PM

T-up, i LOVE the concept and numbers also, i would love playing this hero ^^

Twilice · 10-27-2009, 11:12 PM

Wow, really cool.

Thumbs-up

-Yuuh™ · 10-28-2009, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by iKrivetko

The Ulti must deal physical dmg imo. That'll add more skill synergy.
Plus, add Stygian Desolator to the Item synergy section.

I'll keep this in mind thanks. Stygian Desolotar will cause orb effect when first skill's at auto-casting. I want to stay away from orb effect.

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Originally Posted by infer

T-up, i LOVE the concept and numbers also, i would love playing this hero ^^

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Originally Posted by Prizo

Wow, really cool.

Thumbs-up

Thanks for the support

kitchen · 10-28-2009, 01:11 AM

It's reaaaaaally dumb how you have one spell, and then another spell that upgrades it and only it. It's like a one-spell Witchcraft: stupid. Absolutely no reason to essentially split one spell up into two different ones, other than laziness or an inability to think of 4 real spells. The hero as a whole plays extremely blandly and adds nothing new to the game. All of his spells are drenched in rather unneeded forced synergy, which in and of itself is not necessarily a bad thing, but it is in this case because it forces a certain style of play. Slow 'em, auto attack 'em, press ult key for damage. Maybe if you think up a real 3rd spell, and maybe if you make the parasites controllable somehow, and overall just make the hero more polished, fun, and new, this could have a shot. As it stands, it's pretty horrible.

TribunXIII · 11-09-2009, 04:36 PM

I really like the parasite concept but i also think the 3rd skill is unnecessary.

I thought of something Like: "Virus Mutation"

"Every second, each parasite has a xx% cchance to spread on other enemys and refresh its duration.

Passively adds -2% magic reduction pere parasite"

dixing · 11-09-2009, 05:30 PM

This hero has "forced synergy" written all over it

1st skill is apparently his whollllllllllle point, forcing you to pick it, no matter what.
2nd skill is a poor excuse to just increase his 1st skill potency, 3rd skill is even worse in that matter, those kind of skills have no more place in modern dota.
Ultimate, I could see it coming from 3 miles away, as could any member in this forum.
Logic should dictate it at least causes physical damage to benefit from the absurd armor reduction of the 1st skill that has really no relation to anything.

I am sorry for being this harsh, the concept and idea arent bad, but you should start by listening to the poster above me (TribunXIII), he has a good idea.

Just pisses me off how people here claim titles of S.R.T and such bullshit but they have low quality stuff to show for themselves, and dont worry, you are not the only one.

Shatterman · 11-09-2009, 05:47 PM

bad designed. forced synergy like hell. and the hero would be boring to play aswell.
t-down

-Yuuh™ · 11-09-2009, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Im_Frightening

bad designed. forced synergy like hell. and the hero would be boring to play aswell.
t-down

This hero will be reworked, but i'm busy with somethings. Dont make reviews of this one.

K1T · 11-09-2009, 07:05 PM

good idea, but i was always thinking about parasites as a remote bomb (explosive stuff) inside enemy's body. Imagine you place 3-4 parasites and then explode them, when this hero is in group. Triple kill is granted.

this icon shows how it could look like))

-Yuuh™ · 11-09-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by K1T

good idea, but i was always thinking about parasites as a remote bomb (explosive stuff) inside enemy's body. Imagine you place 3-4 parasites and then explode them, when this hero is in group. Triple kill is granted.

this icon shows how it could look like))

The parasites is like an remote bomb, but with single effect, that have 600 damage when 15 parasites is inside the host body. So, you're suggesting that parasites when ulti is active to cause an splash damage in a AoE around the exploded target? I don't know if you understand how parasites work. Correct me if I'm wrong.

K1T · 11-09-2009, 07:27 PM

I suggest to increase damage from each parasite, but increase cooldown and manacost, also add splash damage in small radius 300-350. Splashed damage deals 75% damage.
Thats my point.

100 damage for each parasite would be balanced with cap of 15 parasites.
Each parasite injection adds 1 parasite, and cooldown is ~ 10-8 seconds

-Yuuh™ · 11-09-2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by K1T

I suggest to increase damage from each parasite, but increase cooldown and manacost, also add splash damage in small radius 300-350. Splashed damage deals 75% damage.
Thats my point.

100 damage for each parasite would be balanced with cap of 15 parasites.
Each parasite injection adds 1 parasite, and cooldown is ~ 10-8 seconds

I see, I see.. That's a good point, but about the cooldown of Parasite Injection, it's too much for a buff placer, maybe a 6~4 sec. Have to remove the bonus parasites from Malady Swamp to add the max cap or rework Malady Swamp. Also Parasitism will be removed, I'm thinking on a splashable self buff that combo with Parasite injection, but myb is too much. Thanks for the reviews, this will help me a lot. Credits will be added when I update ;D

10-27-2009, 01:15 PM	#2
manafusion Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 608	Re: [Neutral Agility] Fraenir, Pandemic Drake suggested cd for parasite injection to be 3/2/1/0, final cd for malady swamp is 30 rather than 25, language check for ulti from insiting to inciting and your done. i give thumbs up to concept and design. Name should be Fran

10-27-2009, 03:01 PM	#5
clickrush Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 436	Re: [Neutral Agility] Fraenir, Pandemic Drake nice concept and theme. i only see 1 problem in your suggestion. theres no "wtf gj"-skill in your set, which is actually boring. since you have a passive AND an easytouse/autocast-ability, the hero is very easy to play -> not interesting to play. my suggestion: remake your first skill "parasite injektion" to something with a bit higher cooldown and something thats not easy to hit (think of nevermore, mirana, meepo etc). with such a skill the hero would be awesome imo. keep on the nice work

10-27-2009, 05:05 PM	#6
xy4kuz4x Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: I live in my house Posts: 1,760 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [Neutral Agility] Fraenir, Pandemic Drake I'll review later when all stuff is ordered. __________________

10-27-2009, 10:30 PM	#8
iKrivetko Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 2,352 Blog Entries: 5	Re: [Neutral Agility] Fraenir, Pandemic Drake The Ulti must deal physical dmg imo. That'll add more skill synergy. Plus, add Stygian Desolator to the Item synergy section.

10-27-2009, 10:52 PM	#9
infer Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,012	Re: [Neutral Agility] Fraenir, Pandemic Drake T-up, i LOVE the concept and numbers also, i would love playing this hero ^^

10-27-2009, 11:12 PM	#10
Twilice Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,594	Re: [Neutral Agility] Fraenir, Pandemic Drake Wow, really cool. Thumbs-up __________________ If you don't know what you are doing none else will either, this includes your opponents. Use this knowledge wisely.

10-28-2009, 01:11 AM	#12
kitchen Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,537 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [Neutral Agility] Fraenir, Pandemic Drake It's reaaaaaally dumb how you have one spell, and then another spell that upgrades it and only it. It's like a one-spell Witchcraft: stupid. Absolutely no reason to essentially split one spell up into two different ones, other than laziness or an inability to think of 4 real spells. The hero as a whole plays extremely blandly and adds nothing new to the game. All of his spells are drenched in rather unneeded forced synergy, which in and of itself is not necessarily a bad thing, but it is in this case because it forces a certain style of play. Slow 'em, auto attack 'em, press ult key for damage. Maybe if you think up a real 3rd spell, and maybe if you make the parasites controllable somehow, and overall just make the hero more polished, fun, and new, this could have a shot. As it stands, it's pretty horrible. __________________

11-09-2009, 04:36 PM	#13
TribunXIII Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 359	Re: [Neutral Agility] Fraenir, Pandemic Drake I really like the parasite concept but i also think the 3rd skill is unnecessary. I thought of something Like: "Virus Mutation" "Every second, each parasite has a xx% cchance to spread on other enemys and refresh its duration. Passively adds -2% magic reduction pere parasite" __________________ A programmer is a tool wich converts coffee to code. Review my Heros and Items (links to Collection Thread) Certified S.R.T.-Member. PM me for reviews. If I took the time to review of your suggestions properly, please also leave a comment on one of mine.

11-09-2009, 05:30 PM	#14
dixing Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Israel Posts: 1,500 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [Neutral Agility] Fraenir, Pandemic Drake This hero has "forced synergy" written all over it 1st skill is apparently his whollllllllllle point, forcing you to pick it, no matter what. 2nd skill is a poor excuse to just increase his 1st skill potency, 3rd skill is even worse in that matter, those kind of skills have no more place in modern dota. Ultimate, I could see it coming from 3 miles away, as could any member in this forum. Logic should dictate it at least causes physical damage to benefit from the absurd armor reduction of the 1st skill that has really no relation to anything. I am sorry for being this harsh, the concept and idea arent bad, but you should start by listening to the poster above me (TribunXIII), he has a good idea. Just pisses me off how people here claim titles of S.R.T and such bullshit but they have low quality stuff to show for themselves, and dont worry, you are not the only one.

11-09-2009, 05:47 PM	#15
Shatterman Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 4,212	Re: [Neutral Agility] Fraenir, Pandemic Drake bad designed. forced synergy like hell. and the hero would be boring to play aswell. t-down

11-09-2009, 07:05 PM	#17
K1T Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Moscow Posts: 490 Blog Entries: 4	Re: [Neutral Agility] Fraenir, Pandemic Drake good idea, but i was always thinking about parasites as a remote bomb (explosive stuff) inside enemy's body. Imagine you place 3-4 parasites and then explode them, when this hero is in group. Triple kill is granted. this icon shows how it could look like)) __________________ Explosive fun!

11-09-2009, 07:27 PM	#19
K1T Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Moscow Posts: 490 Blog Entries: 4	Re: [Neutral Agility] Fraenir, Pandemic Drake I suggest to increase damage from each parasite, but increase cooldown and manacost, also add splash damage in small radius 300-350. Splashed damage deals 75% damage. Thats my point. 100 damage for each parasite would be balanced with cap of 15 parasites. Each parasite injection adds 1 parasite, and cooldown is ~ 10-8 seconds __________________ Explosive fun!