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Old 10-29-2009, 01:25 AM   #1
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Default (Overhaul) Azwraith, Phantom Lancer


This is no serious Suggestion. Of course I know that this will never be implented and I'm doing this just for fun.
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Originally Posted by Cp6uja_ View Post
That is true. But do you have better model for enigma? I think you don't. Also, PL is Axe with imported skin, so yes, we can find a better one, but the problem is which one?

If you have better suggestions, better go to Suggestions -> Visuals and post there. You won't do anything in here.
I took this as a Challenge, so see the result here. I finished this some time ago, but I was too lazy too post it. But why does Lancer needs an Overhaul? Simply because of
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For example PL uses some kind of Helebard as a weapon (Lancer? o.O) and his Portrait looks really messed up. It is comletly 2-D, which looks kinda bad. Also, by using Grom's model, IceFrog uses three Blademaster Based models at all (Axe, Mr. Omnislash and Ph, of course) which share completly same animations. This gets really boring after a time...
His skin is also based on a FFIX creature, which isn't very originally.

Now I present:

Gloom, the Mirage Murloc






(To watch current Phantom Lancer click here!)

First change. The model. It wasn't easy to find a fitting one. I searched all ingame units and only found 3 fitting: Raider, Lightning-Gnoll and the Murloc) Change his model from current one (Grom with skin) to the Murloc Nightcrawler one. Same happens with icon. And of course he gets the imba Murloc Soundset.

Second Change.
The Story. I am not very creative in these things, but I think it is acceptable and fitting.
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Sometimes even a weak race bears a great warrior. However, Gloom is not the bravest of the braves. To prevent the teasing of his own kind he now shows his courage and helps the Sentinel in their epic fight. The coward he is, he confuses his enemies with copies of himself, while striking their back out of nowhere. Gloom cripples his enemies with enchanted missiles and seems to be at multiple places at once. The mystical energy from his blade releases when drawing blood. Gloom believes devoutly to pass this test of courage and the Scourge will have to face more than one enemy when fighting this dastard Murloc.
(109 words, 616 digits; 9 extra words, 48 extra digits)
Invoker has more so I guess it is ok. (116 words, 633 digits)

I kept some things of current story mixed with some Murloc fitting things.


Third Change.
The Skills.

Spirit Lance becomes:
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(Better icon needed)
Trickster Bomb
Throws an enchanted missile at a target, dealing damage to it and slowing it down for 3 seconds. An illusion is created attacking the target.
Level 1 - 100 damage, 10% slow, Illusion lasts 2 seconds.
Level 2 - 150 damage, 20% slow, Illusion lasts 4 seconds.
Level 3 - 200 damage, 30% slow, Illusion lasts 6 seconds.
Level 4 - 250 damage, 40% slow, Illusion lasts 8 seconds.

Cosmetics:
Code:
Abilities\Weapons\MakuraMissile\MakuraMissile.mdl
with 100% size and
Code:
Abilities\Spells\NightElf\SpiritOfVengeance\SpiritOfVengeanceBirthMissile.mdl
with 95% size.


When casted the 'Spell-Animation' is played!

Buff looks like this:


Made by JetFangInferno, found here!

Doppelwalk becomes:
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Doppelwalk
Allows the Mirage Murloc to become invisible for a period of time, leaving behind a duplicate of himself to confuse enemies. 10% movement bonus at all levels.
Lasts 8 seconds.
Level 1 - 150 mana, 30 seconds cooldown.
Level 2 - 120 mana, 25 seconds cooldown.
Level 3 - 90 mana, 20 seconds cooldown.
Level 4 - 60 mana, 15 seconds cooldown.

Stays the same, just little icon and description change. Thanks to Wyk for the image.

Juxtapose becomes:
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(lacks Wc3 Style, so maybe someone can edit this to Murlocs?)

Juxtapose
Whenever the Mirage Murloc attacks he has a % chance to create a duplicate of himself. Limit of 5 images.
Lasts 20 seconds.
Level 1 - 3% chance.
Level 2 - 6% chance.
Level 3 - 9% chance.
Level 4 - 12% chance.

Stays the same, just little icon and description change. Thanks to Wyk again for the image.

Phantom Edge becomes:
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Mirage Blade
The Mirage Murloc enchants his blade. This increases his Juxtapose chance and grants him magic resistance. Additionally, his images have a % chance to generate their own images.
Level 1 - 10% magic resistance, 3% chance illusions will duplicate, 2% increase in Juxtapose.
Level 2 - 15% magic resistance, 5% chance illusions will duplicate, 4% increase in Juxtapose.
Level 3 - 20% magic resistance, 7% chance illusions will duplicate, 6% increase in Juxtapose.

Name change, icon change, description change. Thanks to Wyk for the image a third time. Color change made by me.


Full Set:



Pros:
-Map size reduce (12 imported icons and an imported effect against 6 imported icons and a skin)
-A Murloc Hero
-Getting pwnd by multiple Murlocs is much deadlier than getting pwnd by the same amount of on Final Fantasy basing characters
-Using an ingame model (not because of msi, but because of the better details)
-His iconset has now some kind of color scheme


Cons:
-New Hero seems to be a Murloc, with this model
-Everyone is used to the old one and some guys need to change their signature


Like always, I added a Testmap. My triggering sucks, so maybe many things won't work, I only created this to show Trickster Bomb Graphic and because I was bored!
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Old 10-29-2009, 01:33 AM   #2
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Default Re: (Overhaul) Azwraith, Phantom Lancer

LOL I think a gnoll would be more fun, especially how they are hyena-like, but that might not sit well with a Sentinel hero.... But don't mind me I'm just racist against Murlocs.
 
Old 10-29-2009, 01:50 AM   #3
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This is no serious Suggestion. Of course I know that this will never be implented and I'm doing this just for fun.
LOL at here....
 
Old 10-29-2009, 02:05 AM   #4
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If your not serious here and only make fun.Why did you post here? You should post in the Comedy. Anyway Nice suggestion I think Null for now.
 
Old 10-29-2009, 05:38 AM   #5
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Default Re: (Overhaul) Azwraith, Phantom Lancer

i consider all suggestions as jokes, since we all have different ideas on different things. There's people who wanted to change a fire model to a water model because he's bored of him being fire already, then there's people who wanted to give a model a crown or armor since "he looks not strong enough to take blows because he's a skeleton". So there's no reason to say that a suggestion belongs to comedy if someone intentionally add the lines, "i made this just for fun" because there's alot of not so serious suggestions there that gets alot of t-up.
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Old 10-29-2009, 06:17 AM   #6
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Default Re: (Overhaul) Azwraith, Phantom Lancer

if these murlocks are as small as geomancers then im all t-up...
love to see bunch of small guys beating the crap out of someone/thing
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Old 10-29-2009, 06:19 AM   #7
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Holy ... a kukri!
Who care about this suggestion being a joke? Life is a joke anyway

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Old 10-29-2009, 07:25 AM   #8
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nice icon for dopplewalk..
 
Old 10-29-2009, 07:33 AM   #9
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Default Re: (Overhaul) Azwraith, Phantom Lancer

I thought icon-making came with coding, too. You should make better icons. Also, why downgrade an imported model to an in-game one?

And here I thought you'd do better because you were "challenged". So much for the quotes. I was expecting a magnificent custom model, with custom animations and custom everything lol. But anyway..
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t-up , i never liked lancer as a hero , especially the model
 
Old 10-29-2009, 08:20 AM   #11
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AWESOME. Support, I love objects.
 
Old 10-29-2009, 08:26 AM   #12
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wtf is this?
 
Old 10-29-2009, 11:51 AM   #13
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Hm, now I have to andser some thing...
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LOL I think a gnoll would be more fun, especially how they are hyena-like, but that might not sit well with a Sentinel hero.... But don't mind me I'm just racist against Murlocs.
Like I said I found it hard to find a fitting model, but I just thought some little Murloc Guys are more fitting. I like both.
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If your not serious here and only make fun.Why did you post here? You should post in the Comedy. Anyway Nice suggestion I think Null for now.
It is a fun suggestion, so it belongs to Suggestion area. I was bored. I have vacations, done learning no more fun to play something (It was late but to write this took actually some about an hour, too).
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i consider all suggestions as jokes, since we all have different ideas on different things. There's people who wanted to change a fire model to a water model because he's bored of him being fire already, then there's people who wanted to give a model a crown or armor since "he looks not strong enough to take blows because he's a skeleton". So there's no reason to say that a suggestion belongs to comedy if someone intentionally add the lines, "i made this just for fun" because there's alot of not so serious suggestions there that gets alot of t-up.
Thanks for understanding =)
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if these murlocks are as small as geomancers then im all t-up...
love to see bunch of small guys beating the crap out of someone/thing
I thought the same.
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Holy ... a kukri!
Who care about this suggestion being a joke? Life is a joke anyway

Support! DotA needs more monster rape!
Ty for support, but btw, whats a kukri?^^
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nice icon for dopplewalk..
Is this sarcastic?
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I thought icon-making came with coding, too. You should make better icons. Also, why downgrade an imported model to an in-game one?

And here I thought you'd do better because you were "challenged". So much for the quotes. I was expecting a magnificent custom model, with custom animations and custom everything lol. But anyway..
I took this challenge to find a better ingame theme and model. Why does IceFrog imports heros and skins if there are already tons of unused models ingame? Even (no offense) such less detailed? I also think the Phantom just don't fit to DotA (not his skills, of course, but the model). Your 'downgrade' is imo an upgrade to a better quality ingame model. So why custom if we can use ingame?

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t-up , i never liked lancer as a hero , especially the model
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AWESOME. Support, I love objects.
Thanks again =)
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wtf is this?
A fun suggestion which came because of bordeom, didn't I say that?
 
Old 10-29-2009, 12:16 PM   #14
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T-UP. IceFrog should come and see this! MSR+It's so fitting! <3 Gogogo!
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Hmmm I'd like to see the Gnoll model with a lightning flail be used here... you're getting somewhere good IMHO since I never liked the current skin.
 
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LOVE IT! t-up buddy
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T-Up. And I'm serious.
 
Old 10-29-2009, 04:22 PM   #18
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This would actually be pretty bad ass. T-up. Ive never had a problem with the current skin, but I want a murloc as a in game hero cause his model is too dam cool.
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Old 10-29-2009, 04:45 PM   #19
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You got to much time, if you do this for the kicks.

I kinda like your suggestions... A phantom murloc is something you don't see every day.
 
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fuck, now i realized juxtapose on a murloc is fucking imba. fuck it.
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