6v6 with a twist

[kanzakill]

Since this is only a very crude idea, I don't think it deserves to be in Suggestions.

Many a time people have talked about a 6v6 mode. I haven't been impressed even once by such ideas though. However, they did give me the basis on which my idea was conceived.

The main twist is that the last players on each team (i.e. #6 and #12) won't control heroes. Instead, they will play the role of strategists.

What do strategists do? Well they don't participate in the fighting. At least not directly. They won't even have a hero unit to control!

Below are a few things that I think they should be able to do.

- Control towers.
- Control mechanical creeps. Strategists can only order them to attack enemies in range, not to move.
- Control Glyph of Fortification. In this mode only strategists can do this.
- Buy and control couriers. In this mode only strategists can do this.
- Gain the timed gold.
- Gain a portion of gold and experience from last hits by allied creeps.
- Buy and give items to allies. Items bought by strategists is fully shareable.
- Buy back an allied hero.

Below are their skills.

- Increase the portion of gold gained from last hits.
- Increase the portion of experience gained from last hits.
- Buffs creeps for a short duration.
- Buffs allied heroes. Those buffs should affect experience and/or gold.
- Transport allied heroes. This should be done with zeppelins.
- Increase a tower's damage. This can only affect one tower at any given time.
- Buy additional creeps for a lane for the next wave. The level affects the max amount that can be bought each wave.
- Buy creeps that the strategist can control directly. The level affects the max amount.
- Place wards.
- Build obstacles (like barricades and trees) and vision blockers. They can't block the lane.
- Destroy obstacles and vision blockers built by the other strategist.
etc.

There could be many strategists with different skillsets.

So yeah ... I'm bored.

[damN_Grave]

- Control towers.

[Mx_Paladin]

Think you should play a regular game of WC3 to experience all of this.

[Haasva]

Actually I think it is a very good idea, with a lot of interesting propositions. I agree with kanzakill, it could be extremly cool and fun to play like this !

It reminds me a HL2 mod called Zombie Master which works a little like that and which was very fun.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/90047/

[Serancride]

Online games with "Commanders" cause sooooo many problems

[kanzakill]

@damN_Grave:
No one can save you muahahaha!

@Mx_Paladin:
Think about the possibilities. Ladder games just don't have nearly as much connection between players.

@Haasva:
Gotta check that mod out. Thanks.

@Serancride:
lolwut?

[DMR_Chane]

interesting.

I expected a XvX thread

[CvP]

I'd never be the start guy. not before I don't like strats...but because the things mentioned in here are mostly boring.

[silvercover]

there's one big problem here...
on the sentinel side, their towers can uproot and launch ranged attacks while having the backdoor regen even if there are enemy creeps near them.
you can do this in the test map.

[enjoidank]

fuck it lets play 7v7 dota

[Skyforger3.0]

with

a

twist

[B3yondL]

Why would the other 10 people want to play this mode over regular 5v5?

Gotta think about the entire audience besides just the 2 'strategists'.

[kanzakill]

@DMR_Chane:
Didn't see this coming, did you?

@CvP:
Why would it be boring?
A few things come to mind:
- You would be the eye in the sky, constantly watching the whole map. Therefore, this position would be good for the team leader. Experienced players can do this in newbie games, which would encourage newbies to play with more teamwork. I think this would be good for the community.
- Only strategists can buy and control courier => more teamwork and less abuse (and if there was abuse, we would know who to blame/report). The strategist can spend his gold to provide allies with consumables. You can even scout with couriers!
- Only strategists can activate Glyph of Fortification => less abuse.
- Heroes often get into the attack range of towers and siege machines without worry. With some map awareness, you can punish those cocky punks quite well.
- Controlling units to block enemy heroes
- Saving allies with zeppelins running on money
And many more possibilities.

I think it's the execution of the idea that decides whether it's boring or not, not the idea itself.

@silvercover:
Well there's a small and simple solution to that big problem: FIX IT!

@enjoidank:
You fail to amuse me

@Skyforger3.0:
So you have Twist. I have Twister!

Come back only if you find the Twistest!

@B3yondL:
First and foremost, it offers more strategy and a higher level of teamwork.
Secondly, it would speed up the game. As strategists don't have much use for gold. This amount of gold can be spent on allies to gain mid game advantage or to pump the carry faster.
Lastly, please take a look at my reply for CvP. The experienced strategists can teach and advise newbies. It's like a coaching system in which the coach can play too!

[nothingbutcold.]

If I can control buildings, sentinel won big times as the ancients there can move. [---]

E: at least in dota 1.

[kanzakill]

Well just remove Uproot from Sentinel towers. They have no function in the current DotA and they shall have none in this mode.

[BlindMaiden]

Go play Dota Evolution.

[kitchen]

For this to actually be fun, you're gonna have the give the Strategist cooler things to do than "control the courier." I mean COME ON.

Gotta go all-out and allow full creep control, tower placement and control, control over neutrals, all to appropriate extents.

[Ari~]

6v6v1.

I control Roshan and all neutrals.

[damN_Grave]

Originally Posted by Ari~

6v6v1.

I control Roshan and all neutrals.

6v6v1v1

I control all the unselected heroes.

[DoseIllusions]

lemme just shut this down real quick, control all the catapults? 3 every 3/4 waves? k lemme stack them at fountain, like all of em, so te lanes are all constantly pushed, cool, no need to pull creeps. now its the 20 minute mark and i have a shitload of catapults, ZERG RUSH MID, tower gone, KEEP IT GOING, 2nd tower gone, throne, fuck the raxes they r gone 2,