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Old 07-10-2012, 05:29 PM   #1
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Hello all! Recently there was a thread on the feedback forums that brought up the sexualization of female DotA characters. (It was mainly about having pretty boys added to DotA, but that's a different discussion for a different time.)

The thread ended up getting closed because there are "hero model feedback sections," but those are all for specific heroes instead of heroes and their models in general. I'd like to discuss how the DotA 2 females are often over sexualized when it is unnecessary. The female character where it makes the most sense is Queen of Pain. Queen of Pain's sexual appeal is actually undermined by other female characters - making her less shocking and more "oh, another half-naked female character."

I'll list all the female humanoid heroes currently in DotA 2, and describe what I'm talking about:












All the humanoid females are currently attractive young women. The heroes above are also sexualized to some extent. A common theme some of these heroes share is what I have dubbed "push-up armor."

It makes sense for some of these heroes to be showing their bosoms off - Queen of Pain especially. But what about Vengeful Spirit, who happens to be the angry energy of a princess? What about Death Prophet? Shouldn't she be an ugly, old hag? "Templar" Assassin? Shouldn't she be modest? Many of these heroes have been sexualized for no relevant reason to their lore.

What I'd like to see more of:





These heroes are still attractive and young, but they are either covering their chest (Luna and PA) or have a relatively small chest (Enchantress and PA). PA is especially refreshing as not only is she completely covering her chest but she also has a small bosom.

The male humanoid heroes have much more variation. There are fat heroes, old heroes, butt-ugly heroes, etc.

I'd like to start a constructive discussion about this issue. What can Valve do with the upcoming female heroes to make them less sexualized and more interesting? I don't think Valve should change the existing female character models, but I would like to see more variety. Why can't a new character be an old lady? A middle aged lady? A Brienne of Tarth? Please, discuss this with me!

Important Terms:

sexualize (verb) to make sexual : endow with a sexual character or quality
feminist (adjective) advocating social, political, legal, and economic rights for women equal to those of men.

A relevant video to watch if you're more interested in this topic.


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Valve lieks boobies
 
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But seriously, who wouldn't
 
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OP is misogyn.
 
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Valve lieks boobies
Gotta say, I like them too. Makes the characters look a bit ridiculous, however.

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Yes moar like Luna!
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if people like that would put that much afford in their school homework we would
have much less problems in this world.
 
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The female heroes in Dota 2 are sexy in a classy way unlike LoL's female heroes who just look like sluts.

Queen of Pain's outfit is justified since she is a succubus who uses her looks to entice prey.
 
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The female heroes in Dota 2 are sexy in a classy way unlike LoL's female heroes who just look like sluts.

Queen of Pain's outfit is justified since she is a succubus who uses her looks to entice prey.
I don't mean to be rude, but did you read my opening post?
 
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video-game characters should be idealized. As you say yourself, there is a mix of everything in dota, not just turbo-bimbo-es. Plus, nothing is radical, cleavage is not a big deal in a video-game, especially when there are others doing the classic plate-bikini stuff.
As you said, men are also exagerated.

I believe you are blowing this out of proportion, the design is nowhere near offensive or over the top imo.
 
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if people like that would put that much afford in their school homework we would
have much less problems in this world.
You'll need to elaborate on what you mean by that. I'm assuming you meant effort?

Also, I'm a college graduate and the above took me maybe 15-30 minutes to type. It really doesn't take much effort on my part to write out a coherent thought. I'm sorry it is difficult for you.
 
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CM and Vengeful have normal boobs, I don't know what you are complaining about. Also both Vengeful and Drow are quite ugly and you can't see Drow cleavage while playing

BTW is this the woman you find extremely attractive?

 
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Indeed they are.

There should be more variety. Nothing extreme, just more variety.

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Nope. Look at Half-Life and Portal.
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video-game characters should be idealized. As you say yourself, there is a mix of everything in dota, not just turbo-bimbo-es. Plus, nothing is radical, cleavage is not a big deal in a video-game, especially when there are others doing the classic plate-bikini stuff.
As you said, men are also exagerated.

I believe you are blowing this out of proportion, the design is nowhere near offensive or over the top imo.
Oh, trust me, I completely agree that it's not nearly as bad as some videogames. I just want to see Valve continue the trend of making characters like Phantom Assassin. Who knows? Maybe in doing that they would attract more female players.

As it stands, there are no old female characters while there are some old male characters. While I don't really like HoN, I do love Wretched Hag.
 
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You'll need to elaborate on what you mean by that. I'm assuming you meant effort?

Also, I'm a college graduate and the above took me maybe 15-30 minutes to type. It really doesn't take much effort on my part to write out a coherent thought. I'm sorry it is difficult for you.
you post, once again, bullshit. like that christ that complains about demonic/satanic symbols.

the real question is, you do that on purpose ?
`or just trolling.
 
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You'll need to elaborate on what you mean by that. I'm assuming you meant effort?

Also, I'm a college graduate and the above took me maybe 15-30 minutes to type. It really doesn't take much effort on my part to write out a coherent thought. I'm sorry it is difficult for you.
Get a girl mate...with boobies.
 
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Needs more.
 
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As it stands, there are no old female characters while there are some old male characters.
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Valve lieks boobies
Most ironic thing ever.
DotA 2 only as cleverage to continue the Spirit of DotA.
If it wasn't for that,only the Succubus(Queen of Pain) CLOULD be a fanservice Charater.
And even then...
 
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CM and Vengeful have normal boobs, I don't know what you are complaining about. Also both Vengeful and Drow are quite ugly and you can't see Drow cleavage while playing

BTW is this the woman you find extremely attractive?

That made me laugh. I personally think Drow and Vengeful are quite attractive. If you think she's ugly, I shudder to think how high your standards must be.

Also, take a look at Vengeful's character model. The page I linked you to really doesn't do her outfit justice. Also, I love CM, so I don't want to see her changed. I just think that the game has enough young, attractive females.

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Indeed they are.

There should be more variety. Nothing extreme, just more variety.
Exactly. Thank you.

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you post, once again, bullshit. like that christ that complains about demonic/satanic symbols.

the real question is, you do that on purpose ?
`or just trolling.
As I said, if you don't like this thread, you don't have to participate in the discussion.

And please don't compare me to that guy. I brought up some good points if you care to read them.

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OP is a women with a complex over her small boobs. Seriously get a life and you'd realize that those in game pixels aren't anything special.
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Tomorrow we get TA and everyone will say, "WAIT I DON'T SEE TITS!!!".
 
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OP is a women with a complex over her small boobs. Seriously get a life and you'd realize that those in game pixels aren't anything special.
Since you decided to make this personal... I actually have average sized breasts. I just want to see more variety.
 
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Tomorrow we get TA and everyone will say, "WAIT I DON'T SEE TITS!!!".
Makes sense that you wouldn't. Isn't she a Templar?
 
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CM and Vengeful have normal boobs, I don't know what you are complaining about. Also both Vengeful and Drow are quite ugly and you can't see Drow cleavage while playing

BTW is this the woman you find extremely attractive?

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Mate is a girl. She already got those.

OT: It's part of visual appeal of the game. Ugly females would cause more complaints actually.

Personally I got no problems with it. I stopped caring about models since they introduced Storm.
 
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Oh, trust me, I completely agree that it's not nearly as bad as some videogames. I just want to see Valve continue the trend of making characters like Phantom Assassin. Who knows? Maybe in doing that they would attract more female players.

As it stands, there are no old female characters while there are some old male characters. While I don't really like HoN, I do love Wretched Hag.
So I guess being dead and having a green hue from decomposition doesn't count as old then?

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Enchantress is a classy dame. More characters like her will always be welcome.
 
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OP is a women with a complex over her small boobs. Seriously get a life and you'd realize that those in game pixels aren't anything special.
so it is rly a female. explains a lot.

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Valve made it on purpose, if you look at old artworks from Lina and Drow they had average bodies. They probably wanted to preserve Blizzard style of making hot females. Just look at CM, Lina, QoP, WR and the other females of WC3, even Drow Ranger and she is undead! BTW Lanaya won't show her body and barely her face, Medusa will be ugly as hell and Naga is not human and will have small boobs. Happy?
 
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^
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Mate is a girl. She already got those.

OT: It's part of visual appeal of the game. Ugly females would cause more complaints actually.

Personally I got no problems with it. I stopped caring about models since they introduced Storm.
Would ugly females really cause complaints? I don't know if I agree with that. Heck, just look how popular the Brienne of Tarth character is in A Song of Ice and Fire (Game of Thrones). As long as the character model matches the lore, I don't really see the issue. It's possible to make interesting female characters without having them sexualized.

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So I guess being dead and having a green hue from decomposition doesn't count as old then?
No. It doesn't. Have you ever seen an old woman before? They don't have smooth faces and perky breasts.

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Instead of pissing into the wind by posting useless nonsense on a forum, why don't you write to Valve? I'm sure they'd love to hear your ideas on making skins for the female characters. I'll give you two right now. I'll call them the burka and catholic nun skins. They will sell like hotcakes and all you little feminist manginas that have no real problems can go direct your ire towards something else.
As I said in the opening post, if you personally don't consider this an issue, you can ignore the thread. It may shock you to hear this, but some players actually do care about female hero models.
 
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To be honest a hero is just a walking skillset with numbers that determine how much damage it deals and receives...I couldnt care less if lina was a pair of giant boobs lactating all over the map, or a giant armored squid from outerspace, as long as she has her/his aoe stun with delay, line of burst damage , fuck the support(or ks a little) single target ultimate and free ms boost.
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seriously, i dont give much for pretty or ugly heroes. if i wanted to fap, there´s enough other stuff...
 
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Enchantress is a classy dame. More characters like her will always be welcome.
I agree! There's a character that isn't sexualized that fits into the game perfectly.

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Valve made it on purpose, if you look at old artworks from Lina and Drow they had average bodies. They probably wanted to preserve Blizzard style of making hot females. Just look at CM, Lina, QoP, WR and the other females of WC3, even Drow Ranger and she is undead! BTW Lanaya won't show her body and barely her face, Medusa will be ugly as hell and Naga is not human and will have small boobs. Happy?
I really do hope they at least make Medusa ugly.
 
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I made a long post with several examples of heroes from this game, and heroes from others. it told me I had too many URLs. So. I gave up. that said google; Sejuani, Caitlyn, Nidalee, Miss Fortune, Sivir from LoL. Then regoogle Crystal Maiden, Mirana, Windrunner, etc.. See a MASSIVE difference? Not as much skin. Not NEARLY as much skin in DOTA. They're rather covered up. Which was one of the first things I noticed about DOTA.
 
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To be honest a hero is just a walking skillset with numbers that determine how much damage it deals and receives...I couldnt care less if lina was a pair of giant boobs lactating all over the map, or a giant armored squid from outerspace, as long as she has her/his aoe stun with delay, line of burst damage , fuck the support(or ks a little ulti) and free ms boost.
This.
For example, take Pudge, he's a soulless dead dude whose moveset is based on a butcher but his playstyle would remain the same if his theme was different e.g. Physics
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^What the fuck that sig, I rofled my ass off.

They have pretty much good enough clothing, if you dislike them that much reduce your model quality to so low you won't be blinded by their so 'thrown private parts'.
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Look at LoL characters, then look at those in Dota 2, realize how wrong your OP was.
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I really do hope they at least make Medusa ugly.
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Is life too sexualized? I walk by beach and everyone shows cleavage. I demand a change.

Oh i am also a feminist and think sexuality doesn't exist. How dare they do that?
 
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