Batrider needs some form of love!

[Mulldrifter]

Originally Posted by GodlyKha

There is a reason for his 42% win rate 533,389 games.

The reason is that about 99% of you tards don't have 4 points in his 300 damage, 11 cd, 1875 range, 0.5 stun & force nuke that can 'stuck' opponents and covers an AOE larger than powershot.

Are you saying that 4 points in Firebreak are better than 4 points in Sticky Napalm or 4 points in Firefly?

Well, I guess that pretty much explains why your sig says: "Fix Xin".

[fr0zenknife]

Originally Posted by Mulldrifter

Are you saying that 4 points in Firebreak are better than 4 points in Sticky Napalm or 4 points in Firefly?

Well, I guess that pretty much explains why your sig says: "Fix Xin".

There is line ups where flamebreak is better, no need to be so strict about builds.

Besides flamebreak is pretty underrated.

[little_gizka]

Originally Posted by Talbain

You can launch them into trees or impassable terrain with enough dexterity.

Wow. It never occurred to me to try that. It's not intentional ability abuse, is it? Hopefully? I'd like to try it.

[fr0zenknife]

Originally Posted by little_gizka

Wow. It never occurred to me to try that. It's not intentional ability abuse, is it? Hopefully? I'd like to try it.

Ability abuse? No.

[Uncle_Dolan]

IMO 1.5~2 sec cd on Napalm would do.
That or +1 armor

[Mulldrifter]

Originally Posted by fr0zenknife

There is line ups where flamebreak is better, no need to be so strict about builds.

Besides flamebreak is pretty underrated.

I thought we were talking about MM pubs?

[little_gizka]

So if you stack dexterity you can launch players into trees? Isn't the radius static?

[fr0zenknife]

Originally Posted by little_gizka

So if you stack dexterity you can launch players into trees? Isn't the radius static?

Dexterity is taken literally there. I think you are confusing it with agility.

[little_gizka]

Originally Posted by fr0zenknife

Dexterity is taken literally there. I think you are confusing it with agility.

Oh, yup. I am.

I'm definitely going to try this next game. In the past I'd just use the stun to force enemy heroes towards my team or into our towers.

[Shizzy-]

Originally Posted by Dark Rogue

Basically, this. It's the same reason you don't see Io in pubs a lot (or rather, the same reason you don't see him winning a lot).

Sooo true.

Wisp's win rate is sooooo low for a new hero.
Edit: Not too long ago is was roughly 42% it's bumped up to 44% now.

[FleshTRNDstone]

Originally Posted by damN_Grave

Batrider is a great hero. The problem is, he's not worth playing day-in and day-out. He gets boring, so he'll rarely be played, even though he's mighty stronk.

That's a silly thing to say.
I really like playing.
Definitely not as boring as Drow, Leoric or CK for me.
Fact is, some heroes will appeal to some, and some won't.


OT:
BR's problem is, it's easy to avoid being pawned by him early game.
Magic Wand/Stick, and don't let Napalm stack too much.
Late game, he's barely a threat due to his squishyness.

Napalm could do with +1 second duration, or like some have mentioned, increased attack range/armour.

[TehJokke]

Batrider is an awesome hero. With a good coop with your team you can get amazing scores as him. I had 14/3, 17/7 and other similiar scores to that.

[Saini0902]

Early game firstblood:

1.) Spam Sticky Napalm
2.) Cast Firefly
3.) ???
4.)

[jsrnn]

He is still ridiculously powerful.

inb4 +1 armor buff.

[GodlyKha]

Originally Posted by Mulldrifter

Are you saying that 4 points in Firebreak are better than 4 points in Sticky Napalm or 4 points in Firefly?

Well, I guess that pretty much explains why your sig says: "Fix Xin".

Flamebreak is superior to Powershot as a spamming skill at level 5+ and Xin is a hero with a 1975 range 900 damage mostly undodgeable and invulnerable combo that requires no real positioning or skill. At level 9. Like a Tiny with blink dagger who doesn't really care if you're next to creeps. Who keeps spamming his nukes every few seconds afterwards. Who can't die to ganks. Who 1-shots your entire team in lategame.

With no subtle irony, the reason people don't realize how broken Xin is is because they skill him incorrectly. And those same people go on to try to stack level 3 napalms on their level 5 opponent and fly on top of him and die horribly in the process.

Originally Posted by Saini0902

Early game firstblood:

1.) Spam Sticky Napalm
2.) Cast Firefly
3.) ???
4.)

Allow me to fill in the blank:

1.) Spam Sticky Napalm
2.) Cast Firefly
3.) Try to fly on top of the enemy hero who has been in a defensive position because he, unlike you, is not underestimating, and knows exactly what you are trying to do and then when you get close, throws a stun on top of you as the tower hits you, tanks you out, pops his completely full stick thanks to your napalm and gets first blood from you as you don't even take off 1/3 of his hp.
4.)

[DotaVictor]

He's very squishy especially he needs to be in the the middle of a fight, Sticky Napalms are useless in a team fight since you can only stack like 2 on like a few heroes.

[FF_MikeRoch]

Wasnt he one OP bastard when he first came out?

Feel like people forgot how to play him.

[GodlyKha]

Originally Posted by FF_MikeRoch

Wasnt he one OP bastard when he first came out?

Feel like people forgot how to play him.

Its quite the opposite, everyone knows how he is played, hence, 1 trick pony doesn't work.

[Ramza.Beoulve.]

Batrider feels considerably weaker and more sluggish in Dota 2, and a lot of Bat players noticed it. I used to play him at least once a day in Dota, and I haven't touched him for weeks at a time now.

[Lord_Talron]

hes fine. even a bit op. least in pubs because they have 0 idea how to deal with him.