Opinions on my guide in progress

iAmAlexander · 07-12-2012, 12:26 AM

Hello. I started a guide on Dirge as the current ones are outdated. It is incomplete yet but since it is my first I want to ask if it looks satisfying to people. Posting here and not in Game Strategy on purpose because I want to get as many opinions as possible and I don't need help with the strategy part. Accepting positive and negative criticism. Here's the link to it:

http://www.playdota.com/forums/showt...51#post6371451

Dinhosaur · 07-12-2012, 01:54 AM

Saw the layout, keep it up 5/5.

Claire Farron · 07-12-2012, 01:58 AM

Nice layout, but this is not an advertising place, you know right?

Geno. · 07-12-2012, 02:44 AM

I thought you left. Stop being so upset.

Layout is fine, I suggest including tables and making the Titles a different colour than the Text.

Larsen · 07-12-2012, 02:45 AM

Very nice, what I most like is the fact that is based on Dota 2.

CasualPubbie · 07-12-2012, 04:23 AM

Why are the Pros red and the Cons green?

Shengar · 07-12-2012, 04:29 AM

Its good, I like because it is based on Dota 2.
But I don't really think that this thread belong here. Maybe in strategy?

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Originally Posted by CasualPubbie

Why are the Pros red and the Cons green?

Because the vice versa is sooo mainstream

B3yondL · 07-12-2012, 04:36 AM

I suggest you publish it at DOTAfire since it'll get much more views and be more helpful.

CasualPubbie · 07-12-2012, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Shengar

Its good, I like because it is based on Dota 2.
But I don't really think that this thread belong here. Maybe in strategy?

Because the vice versa is sooo mainstream

The current colour scheme confuses me.

Shengar · 07-12-2012, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by CasualPubbie

The current colour scheme confuses me.

Don't worry, I confused as well too

iAmAlexander · 07-12-2012, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by CasualPubbie

Why are the Pros red and the Cons green?

Beacause I wrote the entire thing in 2 hours..between 1 and 3 am lol.

iAmAlexander · 07-12-2012, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by CasualPubbie

Why are the Pros red and the Cons green?

Beacause I wrote the entire thing in 2 hours..between 1 and 3 am lol. I was very tired..gonna fix it. Thanks for the suggestions.

Sentry_ward · 07-12-2012, 10:07 AM

ok let's start
you say he can initiate, yet he has no stun or anything to do a real initiation
Unless I'm wrong, hp removal can kill, but it turn to magic damage if it is going to kill so it doesn't count as a suicide

about item and skillbuilds: the worst part of any guide
item builds and skillbuilds SHOULD NEVER BE STATIC
instead of listing what items you need to take list items that work on the hero and say in what situation it is a good idea to get them
Instead of making a list of abilities explain when they should be leveled and when not

iAmAlexander · 07-12-2012, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Sentry_ward

ok let's start
you say he can initiate, yet he has no stun or anything to do a real initiation
Unless I'm wrong, hp removal can kill, but it turn to magic damage if it is going to kill so it doesn't count as a suicide

about item and skillbuilds: the worst part of any guide
item builds and skillbuilds SHOULD NEVER BE STATIC
instead of listing what items you need to take list items that work on the hero and say in what situation it is a good idea to get them
Instead of making a list of abilities explain when they should be leveled and when not

Initiating doesn't necessarily mean stunning. Nobody in the right mind would focus down Dirge first. He is very enduring and this is what makes him capable of initiating. Not as well as ES, Tide or Sand King, but still. I guess I should mention he is lower tier at this job.

All my facts are correct. I have tested everything in Dota 2 and what I couldn't test, I looked up in Advanced Mechanics to confirm it before writing it down.

I agree skill and item builds should not be static and I've listed the two scenarios some spells should be taken over others. You might be right about the item build part though.

Sentry_ward · 07-12-2012, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by iAmAlexander

Initiating doesn't necessarily mean stunning. Nobody in the right mind would focus down Dirge first. He is very enduring and this is what makes him capable of initiating. Not as well as ES, Tide or Sand King, but still. I guess I should mention he is lower tier at this job.

All my facts are correct. I have tested everything in Dota 2 and what I couldn't test, I looked up in Advanced Mechanics to confirm it before writing it down.

I agree skill and item builds should not be static and I've listed the two scenarios some spells should be taken over others. You might be right about the item build part though.

How exactly do you initiate without disabling the enemy team in some way?

If someone is killed by HP removal it counts as a suicide, but when hp removal is more than the target's current HP it becomes magic damage, are you 100% sure you're not the one mistaken?

for dirge yea, the 2 lists system works, but for other heroes who have more situational abilities it doesn't work that well, something to keep in mind

iAmAlexander · 07-12-2012, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sentry_ward

How exactly do you initiate without disabling the enemy team in some way?

If someone is killed by HP removal it counts as a suicide, but when hp removal is more than the target's current HP it becomes magic damage, are you 100% sure you're not the one mistaken?

for dirge yea, the 2 lists system works, but for other heroes who have more situational abilities it doesn't work that well, something to keep in mind

It's correct that if the HP removal is higher than the HP of the target it becomes magical damage but it doesn't count as a suicide. For example, Invoker's EMP can kill. And yes I am 100% positive. Soul Rip is some kind of exception... this is from Dirge's hero page:

Every counted unit, ally or enemy, takes 25 damage; units cannot be killed by this, only reduced to 1 HP.

Sentry_ward · 07-12-2012, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by iAmAlexander

It's correct that if the HP removal is higher than the HP of the target it becomes magical damage but it doesn't count as a suicide. For example, Invoker's EMP can kill. And yes I am 100% positive. Soul Rip is some kind of exception... this is from Dirge's hero page:

Every counted unit, ally or enemy, takes 25 damage; units cannot be killed by this, only reduced to 1 HP.

that explains a lot
I meant that if you die by HP removal it counts as a suicide, but that doesn't happen because HP removal is turned to magic damage (so it counts as a kill instead of a suicide)
Soul Rip, Soul ring, etc are specifically made to not kill, HP removal in general can kill

iAmAlexander · 07-12-2012, 09:12 PM

Any other opinions? I am not advertising.. Just seeking more help.

07-12-2012, 12:26 AM	#1
iAmAlexander Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 668	Opinions on my guide in progress Hello. I started a guide on Dirge as the current ones are outdated. It is incomplete yet but since it is my first I want to ask if it looks satisfying to people. Posting here and not in Game Strategy on purpose because I want to get as many opinions as possible and I don't need help with the strategy part. Accepting positive and negative criticism. Here's the link to it: http://www.playdota.com/forums/showt...51#post6371451

07-12-2012, 01:54 AM	#2
Dinhosaur Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 219	Re: Opinions on my guide in progress Saw the layout, keep it up 5/5. __________________ Click my signature to see more of my work.

07-12-2012, 01:58 AM	#3
Claire Farron Banned Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: MY Posts: 2,696 Blog Entries: 10	Re: Opinions on my guide in progress Nice layout, but this is not an advertising place, you know right?

07-12-2012, 02:44 AM	#4
Geno. Banned Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: The Philippines Posts: 2,524 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Opinions on my guide in progress I thought you left. Stop being so upset. Layout is fine, I suggest including tables and making the Titles a different colour than the Text.

07-12-2012, 02:45 AM	#5
Larsen Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 285	Re: Opinions on my guide in progress Very nice, what I most like is the fact that is based on Dota 2.

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07-12-2012, 04:36 AM	#8
B3yondL Banned Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Hoelbrak, Tyria Posts: 1,418	Re: Opinions on my guide in progress I suggest you publish it at DOTAfire since it'll get much more views and be more helpful.

07-12-2012, 10:07 AM	#13
Sentry_ward Banned Join Date: May 2012 Location: Wherever that pesky riki is Posts: 4,705 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Opinions on my guide in progress ok let's start you say he can initiate, yet he has no stun or anything to do a real initiation Unless I'm wrong, hp removal can kill, but it turn to magic damage if it is going to kill so it doesn't count as a suicide about item and skillbuilds: the worst part of any guide item builds and skillbuilds SHOULD NEVER BE STATIC instead of listing what items you need to take list items that work on the hero and say in what situation it is a good idea to get them Instead of making a list of abilities explain when they should be leveled and when not

07-12-2012, 09:12 PM	#18
iAmAlexander Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 668	Re: Opinions on my guide in progress Any other opinions? I am not advertising.. Just seeking more help.