Russians in chat.

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Originally Posted by Puro

Learn to god damn English, it's not that fuckin' hard!

I concur.

But on a more serious note; the Russians are still queuing for the US servers, which piss me of, a lot.

I'm from Norway, so I should queue for the European servers, obviously - but it's filled with Russians who constantly screws the game. I've met some nice Russians who speaks English, but it's very rare.

[Asevastos]

Russians can drive you mad easy on dota 2 . Fact

[Cloakedsro]

Fix :
Get friends, party up, play together
Profit.

It really isn't that hard you know D:, if you don't find IRL friends just find friends on STEAM.
(And for those trolls, no I'm not a russian, I hate them too.All of them.)

[GankSinatra]

Originally Posted by Inreet

One question: why do you even give a fuck about it? Srsly why? I don't give a fuck to a random person who spamm garbage in chat. Why should you?

That's the thing. You guys are raised to 'i dont give a shit about that random person'.

End result: a bunch of self absorbed annoying angsty russian twats oozing profanity and teen hormones wherever they go.

Maybe you should actually start giving some fucks about other people and you Russians might get treated as people equal to us. But looking at your reply that wont happen.

[Blueaurora]

racism

[Edvinsson]

Originally Posted by Blueaurora

racism

Because russians aren't white.

[Eldherjar]

It has gotten a bit better after they gave the russians their own server. Before that it was ***** horrible on the european server, 60% of the players were russian and most of the time the entire chat was in russian.

Same thing happens a lot in the chat lobby now.

[Eldherjar]

Originally Posted by Edvinsson

Because russians aren't white.

Race isnt all about colour. Look at Turks for example, they are highly racist towards kurds, even though they almost look identical. Plenty of white people are racists towards other white people, some even towards their own ethnicity(regardless of how absurd that is).

But, its not racism to say what is true, a lot of the russian players on the european server did not speak english, either they did not know how or they just avoided it on purpose. When over half of the players in every damn game are russian and most of them behave like that with 0 chance of teamplay there is no wonder that people get annoyed.
Thank gods they got their own server now, ruined so many games before.
Ive played dota 1 since the very beginning and a lot of other games as well, but never met players that have annoyed me as much as a big amount of the russians in dota 2 european server.

[Edvinsson]

Originally Posted by Eldherjar

Race isnt all about colour. Look at Turks for example, they are highly racist towards kurds, even though they almost look identical.

But regardless, its not racism to say what is true, the majority of the russian players on the european server did not speak english, either they did not know how or they just avoided it on purpose. When over half of the players in every damn game are russian and most of them behave like that with 0 chance of teamplay there is no wonder that people get annoyed.
Thank gods they got their own server now, ruined so many games before.

I think racism is about colour, I believe its called something else otherwise.

Not sure, just guessing.

Edit: "The definition of racism is controversial both because there is little scholarly agreement about what the word "race" means, and because there is also little agreement about what does and doesn't constitute discrimination."

According to wikipedia, racism can mean almost anything.

[1337_n00b]

I think racism is about colour, I believe its called something else otherwise.

It's xenophobia, just helping.

[Edvinsson]

Originally Posted by 1337_n00b

It's xenophobia, just helping.

I believe racism is just a term used to describe any kind of discrimination against an ethnical group different from your own.

And its such an overused term nowadays.

Edit: Xenophobia is fear of foreigners, and a specific kind of foreigner in some cases.

[Eldherjar]

Originally Posted by Edvinsson

I think racism is about colour, I believe its called something else otherwise.

Not sure, just guessing.

It depends on how you catogorize 'Race'. Are all asians one race? Are all europeans one race? No.

The nazis looked on the slavic people as a inferior race, even though they are white. So yea, its not all about colour. I know a good portion of Thailanders that are highly racist towards chinese people. Koreans who are racist towards the japanese. I know west-europeans who practice self-hating so actively that it is indeed bordering to racism towards their own group as well.

But regardless, proclaiming that people are racist because they get annoyed by what is probably a language barrier and what was a demographic problem on the european server is being extremly over-sensitive. And yea, it is a completly overused term. People just use it to shut people up nowdays regardless of the content. Its been missused so much, at least in west-europe, that it carries no weight at all anymore.

Its not much of a problem anymore on the European server, the lobby chat is useless though, since its full of either spam or russian.

[Edvinsson]

Originally Posted by Eldherjar

It depends on how you catogorize 'Race'. Are all asians one race? Are all europeans one race? No.

The nazis looked on the slavic people as a inferior race, even though they are white. So yea, its not all about colour. I know a good portion of Thailanders that are highly racist towards chinese people. Koreans who are racist towards the japanese. I know west-europeans who practice self-hating so actively that it is indeed bordering to racism towards their own group as well.

But regardless, proclaiming that people are racist because they get annoyed by what is probably a language barrier and what was a demographic problem on the european server is being extremly over-sensitive.

Its not much of a problem anymore on the European server, the lobby chat is useless though, since its full of either spam or russian.

The term "Racism" is too broad, because human races are too undefined for us to be able to use it correctly.

Colour is just the simplest way to determine differences/similarities between people.

Slavs aren't a race, they're an ethnic group. Races and ethnicities aren't the same thing, and its hard to discern what a race is. Technically, we are all of the "Human Race".

[CrisM1]

the funny thing is that if you go in-game with some suggestions about builds, heroes to pick and so on with good manners they just insult you ( suka ) brainlessly and tells you " SCUM AMERICAN ".

Yea... americans in EU servers... they are stucked in the cold war i guess

[Eldherjar]

Originally Posted by Edvinsson

The term "Racism" is too broad, because human races are too undefined for us to be able to use it correctly.

Colour is just the simplest way to determine differences/similarities between people.

Slavs aren't a race, they're an ethnic group. Races and ethnicities aren't the same thing, and its hard to discern what a race is. Technically, we are all of the "Human Race".

Colour is the most simple way yes, but that doesnt mean it is the correct way. Colour is just the most obvious visual diffrence. Id say its way too simple.

In political studies we dont use the term 'race' anymore really, in Scandinavia anyway. It was more common pre 1990. Ethnicity has taken its place, although some people use the two words for the same thing.

For example, Norwegians is a ethnic group, a part of the group that is north-germanians. You can often tell a Scandinavian apart from a British person, for example, and you can easily tell them apart from east-europeans and south-europeans, partly because we are more pale.
There are diffrent ways of using the term, you can say europeans are one race and that there are sub-races under that and then ethnic groups.

But even so, racism is not based on skin colour only. You can still be racist towards a ethnic group even if they look similar to urself, since genes are not purely visual things, and racism is about genes/blood. Racism focused on skincolour is just the most simple way of racism.

You can use the term xenophobia, but that is more commonly used towards people who fear foreign cultures in their own country, more focused on immigration and culture and not so much at race/ethnicity.
(Similar to the counter-term Etnophobia, which describes a person who fear or dislike a majority culture or a homogenized culture and people.)

How these terms are used varies from country to country to some degree though, there is no clear rule. But you can be jailed for being highly racist towards east-europeans, in England, just to state a example.

[Edvinsson]

Originally Posted by Eldherjar

Colour is the most simple way yes, but that doesnt mean it is the correct way. Colour is just the most obvious visual diffrence. Id say its way too simple.

In political studies we dont use the term 'race' anymore really, in Scandinavia anyway. It was more common pre 1990. Ethnicity has taken its place, although some people use the two words for the same thing.

For example, Norwegians is a ethnic group, a part of the group that is north-germanians. You can often tell a Scandinavian apart from a British person, for example, and you can easily tell them apart from east-europeans and south-europeans.
There are diffrent ways of using the term, you can say europeans are one race and that there are sub-races under that and then ethnic groups.

But even so, racism is not based on skin colour only. You can still be racist towards a ethnic group even if they look similar to urself, since genes are not purely visual things. Racism focused on skincolour is just the most simple way of racism.

You can use the term xenophobia, but that is more commonly used towards people who fear foreign cultures in their own country, more focused on immigration and culture and not so much at race/ethnicity.
How these terms are used varies from country to country to some degree though, there is no clear rule. But you can be jailed for being highly racist towards east-europeans, in England, just to state a example.

I just think we need to find a term that more clearly describes the issue. Because nobody treats everyone the exact same way, regardless of race/ethnicity, anyone can be classified as racist.

Edit: I just think its gotten out of hand. Here in sweden, some people consider it racist to sing our national anthem, or wearing our flag on our clothes, which, imo, is fucked up .

[SpellBindeR~]

I don't care about Russians as long as they participate as a team.

[Bodge]

I don't encounter Russians anymore, Problem? AXAXXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXA

[SpellBindeR~]

Originally Posted by Bodge

I don't encounter Russians anymore, Problem? AXAXXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXA

You will. I encounter one. On SEA's servers.

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Originally Posted by Blueaurora

racism

/facepalm.