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Old 11-03-2009, 04:14 PM   #1
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Default a good dota hero team?


would this be a good hero team:
Nevermore
Dazzle
Razor
Vengeful spirit
Slarder
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Old 11-03-2009, 04:15 PM   #2
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Old 11-03-2009, 04:16 PM   #3
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Default Re: a good dota hero team?

kick razor, change dazzle for warlock, change slarder by trinkar.

Seriusly, ur team is very weak aganist silences, a well landed silence from krob or drow and your team cant do shit
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Old 11-03-2009, 04:18 PM   #4
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Default Re: a good dota hero team?

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kick razor, change dazzle for warlock, change slarder by trinkar.

Seriusly, ur team is very weak aganist silences, a well landed silence from krob or drow and your team cant do shit
Not quite they still have tons of physical damage and lots of stuns heals.

Imfo, this lineup is good. Very many. D:
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Old 11-03-2009, 04:20 PM   #5
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Default Re: a good dota hero team?

You are going to lack disable. Seriously.
I understand your team is meant to go for super -amor. But why Razor? He's just not that good after all.
The rest is fine.
So basically you can substitute Razor with Tide/ Templar Assassin etc.
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Old 11-03-2009, 04:51 PM   #6
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Default Re: a good dota hero team?

Seriously requires more Disables.Remove at least 1 of the farmers i.e. either Razor or Nevermore.Take Tide or some1 item independent instead.Bane would do well for damage leech team xD
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Old 11-03-2009, 07:52 PM   #7
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Default Re: a good dota hero team?

Kick razor for axe or lanaya and you've got a very frightening team (BAN omni btw)
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Old 11-03-2009, 08:25 PM   #8
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Default Re: a good dota hero team?

Kick razor and go for some other hero with disables.Sand King,Tide.Lots of choices.But put in a disable and one farmer is enough(Nevermore).
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Old 11-04-2009, 01:04 AM   #9
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Default Re: a good dota hero team?

Understand that stacking skills doesn't necessarily mean synergy. Casting Weave on an already Amplified+PoDL'd hero isn't going to help you much at all compared to if you replaced some of the picks with better disablers. Right now your only reliable stun is Venge, so if you don't have her you have a much lower chance of killing enemies even if they have -100000 armor.
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Old 11-04-2009, 08:37 AM   #10
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Default Re: a good dota hero team?

Get some disabler and maybe consider a more reliable initiator as well.
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Old 11-04-2009, 09:07 AM   #11
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Kick razor. Seriously.
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Old 11-04-2009, 09:38 AM   #12
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Default Re: a good dota hero team?

Change your lineup to
Sniper
Alch
Pudge
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Old 11-04-2009, 09:44 AM   #13
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Default Re: a good dota hero team?

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Change your lineup to
Sniper
Alch
Pudge
Void
Bloodseeker
Lack of disable / stun.
Lack of caster.
Lack of AoE spells.
and 3 carry heroes?? wow. what is the good point actually.
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Old 11-04-2009, 09:47 AM   #14
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Default Re: a good dota hero team?

^ hes obviously trying to be funny by listing all the "bad" heroes, although he kinda fails since sniper is being used a lot recently.
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Old 11-04-2009, 09:56 AM   #15
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Default Re: a good dota hero team?

My suggestion is kick Razor for Puck,
Puck is a good initiator that well-synergized with NvM and Slardar. Also it is an all-AoE caster. Not like that for Razor.

So here is the team

Nevermore : carry >> heavy AoE spells, heavy DPS.
Dazzle : support >>babysitter (for slardar), healer, DPS amplifier.
Puck : initiator, ganker >> heavy AoE spells.
Vengeful spirit : ganker >> heavy stun, DPS amplifier.
Slardar : carry, tank >> AoE stun, DPS amplifier.
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Old 11-04-2009, 10:01 AM   #16
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Default Re: a good dota hero team?

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^ hes obviously trying to be funny by listing all the "bad" heroes, although he kinda fails since sniper is being used a lot recently.
oh I see..

sniper is good in a good team, and a good team strategy.
no matter how good his laning in solo mid, if the team dont provide good support, he is a deadmeat. (personal experience playing in pubs. )
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Old 11-04-2009, 10:04 AM   #17
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Default Re: a good dota hero team?

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would this be a good hero team:
Nevermore
Dazzle
Razor
Vengeful spirit
Slarder
Slarder? haha. Ya they are good team of course. But they are good again physical attack type hero and not magical[INT] hero.
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Old 11-04-2009, 10:09 AM   #18
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Kick razor. Seriously.
Without Razor then you want who to decrease the enemy attack? If you 2 or 3 of you all GB fat Ursa, what are you going to do? Just decrease the armor of him?
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Without Razor then you want who to decrease the enemy attack? If you 2 or 3 of you all GB fat Ursa, what are you going to do? Just decrease the armor of him?
Just disable him like crazy,..
Also razor wont survive even if he steal Ursa's damage (Ursa can kill Razor in 3-5 seconds) And if Ursa goes BKB, Razor cant steal his damage..
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Old 11-04-2009, 11:26 AM   #20
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Default Re: a good dota hero team?

This team is a pretty good pub team. Slithereen Guard can initiate well with a forest sprinted initiation while the others do their stun and stuff. Not to mention the best supporting of Shadow Priest's heal. Also they all have an armour reduction skill that can amplify tonnes.
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Old 11-04-2009, 12:37 PM   #21
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It's not a bad team... SP + SG + VS is already quite a lot of disables. Suggest switching out Razor for another good solo- this way you can have Razor SF solo and VS roaming. If the solo has a disable that's just beans.
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Old 11-04-2009, 01:57 PM   #22
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Just disable him like crazy,..
Also razor wont survive even if he steal Ursa's damage (Ursa can kill Razor in 3-5 seconds) And if Ursa goes BKB, Razor cant steal his damage..
Shallow Grave is a fake spell? ==!! Razor will die...I think we need to RMK Shallow Grave if Ursa can cut through Shallow Grave. LOL
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Old 11-05-2009, 08:01 AM   #23
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seriously
First , a team full of rangers like that will definitely become food for "The Enchantress" and many others scary heroes as well
Second , I don't think you might need that much -amor heroes just dazzle and vengeful are just fine. It's truly scary when there are so much -amorers but -armor is not just everything you need cause if you are unable to attack then -amor means nothing, they can even kill you with their amor negative ....

replace nvm and razor they are scary but only in another kinds of team cause nvm is two weak to survive(hate icefrog for this >"< ), his skills are only work in early and mid game(another sucking character of this hero >"<), with a little focus and he is history ( and as far as I know , magic damages doesn't depend on the amount of armor the opponent has), the carry works can be left to sladar. And razor is like not the type for a clan war team, he can only "suck" dam from one hero (this means he will have to follow the "sucked one " around and likely to die like a noob >"< oops) so an AOE disabler would be better and you only need one dam dealer and it's vs
i think if you wanna have an -armorer teams you might need cleaving attack first and even bkb and as for the lack of disabler in your team, minimize the number of rangers -> kunkka is the best choice, the second choice is magnus ( cause hardly does anyone build bkb for this hero )
replace razor with an int hero (not supporter cause you already have dazzle ) there are many different choices : zeus if the opponent has too strong tankers, rylai , lina , blah blah blah or tankers like krobelus,cent,axe,butcher,....... and even pushers . So it means that this slot for razor is a very "flexible" slot and can be change according to your's team's strategies or even to counter the opponents' strategies so another disabler like rashta and lion are fines too
And for the conclusion : the teams you made up can only be used to scare off the noobish pub players ( the type which lacks skills , experiences and always likely to type : -random and alt + f4 )
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Replace Nevermore with Veno, Razor with Warlock, and Slardar with Tide.
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Old 11-09-2009, 11:49 AM   #25
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would this be a good hero team:
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Dazzle
Razor
Vengeful spirit
Slarder
Mass negative armor is not necessarily best.
I'd swap Razor out, and put Kunkka.
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Old 11-09-2009, 04:55 PM   #26
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Shallow Grave is a fake spell? ==!! Razor will die...I think we need to RMK Shallow Grave if Ursa can cut through Shallow Grave. LOL
Shallow Grave will only protect one of your guys, what you really want is disables to keep Ursa from hurting anyone and killing him quickly. Razor just isn't that good, there are much better options out there.
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Rhasta DS top
SF mid
Enigma jungle
Puck bottom

vaccum, blackhole, requim, dream coil
imba combo.................
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Rhasta DS top
SF mid
Enigma jungle
Puck bottom

vaccum, blackhole, requim, dream coil
imba combo.................
That's why they invent BKB and hood
not to mention blink .....
It works likes this
a disabler will stay out of the battlefields until enigma use his untimate
and suddenly blink near (not necessary) and disable enigma from distance and what happens then figure it out by yourself
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Shallow Grave will only protect one of your guys, what you really want is disables to keep Ursa from hurting anyone and killing him quickly. Razor just isn't that good, there are much better options out there.
Ursa attack isn't continuously. This Ursa attack in a very high speed at once. So why not for Shallow Grave to protect someone when Ursa try to aim a hero? If Ursa wants to change target, then it is a waste for him. Shadow Priest's ultimate already reaches a better stat. Maybe Razor can kill him already coz' Ursa armor most probably is negative.
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Add naga if you seriously want razor badly. For that ursa problem, use naga sleep and razor can steal his dmg safely
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You can replace someone (except Slardar) for a Troll Warlord. The combination of Troll Warlord's ultimate and Slardar's bash is very scary since the huge increase in attack speed = more bashes = enemy cannot do anything = dead.
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Isn't this against board policy anyways?


Too many farm dependent heroes, poor lanes, poor team fights
In short this lineup is bad
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Tree, Enigma, Crixalis, Drow, and Tidehunter
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